Well, if nothing else, the one proposing this requirement wanted a discussion to be had about it, and he certainly is getting that.
Thanks, Veritas, and have a great weekend
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Veritas, I was sarcastic in that I said "citizen" instead of "child." It wasn't a direct quote. It was the principle.
Many posts here for this poll had to do with responsibility and accountability for individuals who receive assistance. Other posts were about how a drug test would humiliate those who receive assistance.
I agree with responsibility and accountability, because as a wage earner, I have to be responsible and accountable.
It seemed simple in the beginning....
Now, as namexxx has rendered me "Filth"y, I wash my hands of the phrase.
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cont.. "Apparently Hillary's belief in this philosophy has been strengthened in the past 10 years, because her new commentary reinforces her original policy prescriptions with a decade of additional evidence.
"On the left side of the political spectrum, one might view that philosophy as the underlying value of a compassionate society which is appropriately focused on child-rearing as its core focus. On the right side of the political spectrum, one might view that philosophy as a rationale for a government takeover of anything related to child-rearing, which can be expansively defined as anything at all. In either case, Hillary's philosophy is out in the open for public inspection -- she has not hidden her beliefs since at least 1996."
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cont.. "...along with a new set of end-notes commenting on her updated thoughts on the original text. Those 2006 additions were written with her presidential run in mind, and constitute the bulk of our excerpts. (The 2006 additions are cited as roman-numeral pages for the introduction, and page numbers above 299 for the end-notes).
"The theme of Hillary's book (and its title) is that children are raised not just by their parents, but also by all of the other people in the society around them. Therefore, according to Hillary, all the components of that society -- the schools and the government, but the businesses too -- have an obligation to consider their impact on children that they affect."
Veritas: "And, "It takes a village to raise a citizen" is full of sarcastic irony embraced by history too painful to remember."
The first person I heard using this phrase, in fact, selling a book with the phrase as its title, was Hillary Clinton, way back in 1996.
So it's all right for Hillary to say it, numerous times over the years, but not for me to say it once, without the hammers coming down?
Like Veritas says, I just don't get it.
I found a review of Mrs. Clinton's 2006 edition of her book "It Takes A Village" at ontheissues . org...
"This book is Hillary's classic -- not so much a political book as a definition of her view of the world. It was written in 1996, well before she was considering running for the presidency. Hence it does not have much in the way of policy prescriptions. However, Hillary added an introduction in December 2006, for the "10th Anniversary Edition," along with a new set of end-notes commenting on her upd
This is an entire state of takers. Every last one of you should be drug tested.
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Bill Garr points out that Federal tax dollars make up fully a third of North Dakota's budget.
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If you mean the type of federal help the farmers get I imagine if you are the top producer of many of the major food items, like North Dakota is, you will receive more based upon percentage. But if you are talking about all the problems we have with gravity causing water to flow downhill and our engineers not being able to get a firm grip on that natural phenomenon, I think we probably do get more than most states per capita.
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Bill you seem to know about this, where do I sign up for the extra money you say we are all getting. I'm not getting mine.
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namexxx: "Attempting to couch your racism and bigotry behind a mask of patriotism is profane."
Yes, this is what was said. And, like I said, what are you ranting about, namexxx?
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What are you ranting about, namexxx?
Is that what they say, Jack? Please, please. Post some more opinions in your many diverse voices.
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Attempting to couch your racism and bigotry behind a mask of patriotism is profane.
What an utter disgrace you people are to the memory of those who made this country great.
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You know what they say...
It takes a village to raise a citizen.
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By the way Veritas, I grow my own Fresh Corn.
Quite frankly, the amount of taxes I pay to the State of North Dakota and the Federal Gov. paid for my roads and interstates. And every outdoor potty from Dickinson to Fargo. Pretty aren't they. My town doesn't have a Potty. And Schools, Teachers, and every person that Works for the Public Assistance. And they don't care if you have a good year in business or a bad year. Pay your estimates and bad years sometimes you have to get a loan. Start Your Own Business, be happy.
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Actually! If you've driven on a highway, gone to a public school, mailed a letter, eaten corn, or done most any number of things... indeed you have been the recipient of government assistance. Anyone who has experienced a tax break or deduction (basically, anyone who has ever paid taxes) has essentially gotten a subsidy of some sort as well.
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Veritas, I haven't. Unless your talking unemployment, I paid into for 2 weeks, until I got another job.
namexxx, you are starting to sound frightened by this potential test. Are you concerned about losing your welfare? You do realize that this bill has not passed. And that this legislature has defeated several over reaching bills. You can calm down now.
This newspaper draws on substantial tax money and public funds.
Should N.D. drug test the editors, reporters and board members of the Minot Daily News?
What drugs are we going to test for? Addiction to common street drugs or addiction to prescription pills?
How much money do these drug tests cost?
Who will profit from these tests? How often will we test?
Florida tried this and found that (surprise!) very few desperately poor families and children on drugs -- in fact, a far far lower percentage than the general population. The only thing the tests did was raise the cost of administering aid to dependent families.
What will we do once we find that a family has a drug crisis? Starve their children as well?
How much money are we willing to pay to treat any drug addiction we do find in the 4% of the entire U.S. population on welfare -- most of them children?
Or should we just test people to humiliate them -- but do nothing to help them?
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Parents get a tax write-off for their children.
Should N.D. drug test every parent?
A tongue in cheek question about booze and smoke--highly addictive but used LEGALLY by some to reduce stress. When abused some need rehab. Those Illegal drugs taken by individuals on public assistance need help also. I am more sympathetic to those less fortunate. Being poor is not fun. Hard work and education can get you out of that pit with help.If the intent is punishment who are we helping??Those Spencerians haven't offered many solutions.
While the people on assistance who will drug tested could be sterilized at the same time to make quick work of making sure these untermenschen don't continue to procreate. Put them in special camps, concentration camps and make them work. Strip them of all of their rights and just force them into involuntary servitude for their transgressions and forget about them until they need to be disposed.
First they came for the unemployed, but I wasn't on welfare, so I didn't speak up.
How about Obama targeting US citizens and hunting them down with drones? Isn't that murder? No, just lawful killing. Just some more Newspeak. Welcome to the orwellian world.
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