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Would you support a referendum to establish a city minimum wage that's higher than the existing state and federal rate?

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MattRothchild

Jan-16-14 4:31 PM

BTW Polidork, it's totally obnoxious to post your tripe multiple times. Everyone here saw it the first time and were disgusted enough by that. Yeah, you're really in a position to lecture others about being classy.

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MattRothchild

Jan-16-14 4:30 PM

Polidork:

Unless I somehow have admin powers here, I cannot just "remove" your comment(s) or those of anybody else. Take your paranoia somewhere else.

Social Contract theory is a lie, an underhanded scheme to strip the People of their civil liberties while trying to invent an intellectual pretext for them to be OK with it. Tell me, when did anyone sign this mysterious contract?

Furthermore, Social Contract theory is a sword that cuts both ways. I'll keep this discussion in mind for the next time I see you howling about some curtailment or another of your liberties that the government has done that you don't like. Then, I'll remind you that you need to put up and shut up because the Social Contract demands it.

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concerned

Jan-16-14 12:20 PM

What I don't understand about all of this is we are taught to better ourselves and then we when we do, we are told we are overqualified. So sad in this community!

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polidork

Jan-16-14 11:03 AM

Hey MR, I only spent one line ridiculing your statement. The rest of my comment (90% of it, not half) was used to demonstrate that you don't actually know what you're talking about when it comes to contract theory, civil society, or politics in general. But that was super classy of you to have my comment removed rather than actually responding to the valid criticism I laid out. As for Jack; sorry I didn't get to you, but here you go: please read up on trickle down/supply side economics and let me know which part of the theory focuses on generating growth by helping the least advantaged and/or increasing demand (assuming you don't count large corporations or wealthy individuals as 'least advantaged'). Here's a clue: there's a reason it's not called demand-side economics.

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polidork

Jan-16-14 11:03 AM

Hey MR, I only spent one line ridiculing your statement. The rest of my comment (90% of it, not half) was used to demonstrate that you don't actually know what you're talking about when it comes to contract theory, civil society, or politics in general. But that was super classy of you to have my comment removed rather than actually responding to the valid criticism I laid out. As for Jack; sorry I didn't get to you, but here you go: please read up on trickle down/supply side economics and let me know which part of the theory focuses on generating growth by helping the least advantaged and/or increasing demand (assuming you don't count large corporations or wealthy individuals as 'least advantaged'). Here's a clue: there's a reason it's not called demand-side economics.

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polidork

Jan-16-14 11:03 AM

Hey MR, I only spent one line ridiculing your statement. The rest of my comment (90% of it, not half) was used to demonstrate that you don't actually know what you're talking about when it comes to contract theory, civil society, or politics in general. But that was super classy of you to have my comment removed rather than actually responding to the valid criticism I laid out. As for Jack; sorry I didn't get to you, but here you go: please read up on trickle down/supply side economics and let me know which part of the theory focuses on generating growth by helping the least advantaged and/or increasing demand (assuming you don't count large corporations or wealthy individuals as 'least advantaged'). Here's a clue: there's a reason it's not called demand-side economics.

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polidork

Jan-16-14 11:02 AM

Hey MR, I only spent one line ridiculing your statement. The rest of my comment (90% of it, not half) was used to demonstrate that you don't actually know what you're talking about when it comes to contract theory, civil society, or politics in general. But that was super classy of you to have my comment removed rather than actually responding to the valid criticism I laid out. As for Jack; sorry I didn't get to you, but here you go: please read up on trickle down/supply side economics and let me know which part of the theory focuses on generating growth by helping the least advantaged and/or increasing demand (assuming you don't count large corporations or wealthy individuals as 'least advantaged'). Here's a clue: there's a reason it's not called demand-side economics.

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locomotive

Jan-16-14 10:57 AM

willgrr: "I'd say anyone who says their life is worse is prevaricating. Partisan prevaricating."

It ain't prevaricating when it happens. Many taxes have increased as a result of Obamacare implementation. Stock market remains artificially high as fed pumps money into it. Many people have lost their insurance plans or their doctors, after being promised that they could keep them.

C'mon, willgrr, get real. Life is not all roses just because a Democrat occupies the White House. Start asking the people coming to North Dakota looking for work, if life is better back where they came from. Will they prevaricate?

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locomotive

Jan-16-14 10:42 AM

Atticus: "I will single out WalMart because they DO put welfare applications in their hiring packets. I've never heard of any other retail store that does that."

I'm not a real fan of Walmart--I only go when my list reaches 5 items that I can't get anywhere else--but you'll have to prove this assertion. BTW, I already tried to prove it and I couldn't find anything. Your turn...

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chadk66

Jan-16-14 12:17 AM

saywhat, that's exactly right. you raise the minimum wage in Minot and everybody will pay more for everything. it's simple mathematics. It's just like when politicians want to tax business's more. Business's don't pay taxes. they simply pass the cost on to the consumer. so ultimately they are hurting the consumer. it's really not hard to understand. I'm not saying you don't understand this, just that there are far too many that don't.

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landslide14

Jan-15-14 10:50 PM

Garr I have extended family in War

Believe me Obama is touching our lives...

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disgusted

Jan-15-14 10:40 PM

will garr, you really don't believe that Obama has not touched everyone.

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landslide14

Jan-15-14 8:12 PM

Why is Buffett selling US stock and buying Foreign stock? Does he believe in Obama's recovery or not?

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takkak

Jan-15-14 6:08 PM

minimum wage, living wage, oil wage

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73Hockey

Jan-15-14 4:41 PM

Legend, I totally agree, that is what I am saying. Minimum wage jobs like flipping burgers are designed as "entry level" so to speak. So if you want to make more, get a different job that pays more. McDonald's was never meant to support a family but to give you some spending money while in school.

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disgusted

Jan-15-14 4:07 PM

Starting wages in Minot are already much higher than the federal mandate. $15.00 isn't enough? willy, NO one is forces to work at Walmart. If the employees are satisfied working there, so be it. If they aren't and CAN'T get a better paying job, they either can better themselves so they can the hired elsewhere, or be advanced within the system of Wal mart, or remain at the entry level position,. It is their choice. No government mandate involved with their employment.

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MattRothchild

Jan-15-14 3:26 PM

So, what, my comments made you mad and so you're going to spend half of your "reply" insulting me? Yeah, classy.

"it's due to the influence of such theories that our founding fathers wrote the documents which we follow today"

What we follow today bears no resemblance to the Founding Fathers and the documents they wrote. What they put together could be described as a delicate balancing act. What you and other like you have done, polidork, is fallen headlong off the tightrope.

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GoInPeace

Jan-15-14 3:24 PM

We as proud people from North Dakota should be proud to put it in writting that we pay our people far above the minimum wage.Why hide it.Goinpeace.

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MattRothchild

Jan-15-14 2:09 PM

"Time to get rid of the Unions"

I don't agree with this either. What ever happened to the right to free association, guaranteed in the 1st Amendment?

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landslide14

Jan-15-14 1:24 PM

Why are wages so high for some and so low for others..

UNIONS!!!! Try living in a city with a big Union Plant..

Everytime the employees of that company get a raise the cost of rent goes up dollar for dollar.

Time to get rid of the Unions. Every state has rules for overtime, rules for safety ect. This was a reason why Unions organized.. Unions force companies to pay lazy people big wages and they don't allow good workers to be compenstated..

Time to dump the unions.. Wages and costs will come down..

Unions cause income equality..they cause lazy workers and they increase the cost of living for those who are non union..

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MattRothchild

Jan-15-14 1:22 PM

I mean, think about that in the context of buying a house. A purchase agreement is a contract and the parties involved aren't always equal; the buyer wants it but the seller doesn't have to do anything unless the buyer offers up a price that the seller likes, thus "exploiting" the buyer.

Perhaps we should have a referendum to establish city minimum and maximum housing prices to ensure that buyers and sellers don't "exploit" one another.

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MattRothchild

Jan-15-14 1:19 PM

"Matt: it's not really a fair contract when the two parties 'negotiating' are unequal. Let's talk about fair contracts when we have full employment, an equal educational system, and a healthy population. Until then, what you're talking about is exploitation. And we do accept such 'seizures of someone's free will' all the time; it's part of living in a civil society rather than a libertarian dystopia."

Polidork: do you apply this type of shoddy logic to all discussions of contract law, or just the politically sensitive ones where I suspect you have a certain vested interest--politically or otherwise--to take the approach that you do?

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landslide14

Jan-15-14 1:18 PM

Legand says..

Just because u have the money and will to ne President, doesn't mean u have the savy needed or most important the ability to motivate and manage people.

nailed that one Legand..

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MattRothchild

Jan-15-14 1:16 PM

In the end, we must as ourselves: is the wage proportional to the value the one earning the wage produces? Remember, something's only valuable if someone wants to pay a certain amount for it.

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landslide14

Jan-15-14 1:15 PM

geeze polidork did you read what you just wrote?

"You all do realize what poor people do when they have more money? They spend it on things they need, which creates more demand, which creates more jobs. Trickle down is a disproven theory,"

This is trickle down.. My gosh its no wonder these libs are so ignorant..

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