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Who is being hurt more, directly or indirectly, by the partial shutdown of the federal government?

  1. Rich people
  2. Middle class
  3. The poor
  4. All are suffering equally
 
 
 
 
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TheDiogenist

Oct-11-13 1:55 PM

RWC: Prevent future confusion then by learning to express yourself more clearly. Good neighbour that you may be, it would still be a conceit to think yourself somehow more independent or better than all those dirty, lefty 'takers' out there. My stars, but I'd love to someday see the island you've built for yourself, with its hand-hewn roads, home spun electricity, artisinal coinage, and the like. We could make it a blueprint for future homesteads, and maybe even someday render government completely unnecessary.

It's fine if you feel that there's nothing anybody can or needs to do for you, and while you or I maybe don't need an extra hand, government will be there filling the void for those that can't do for themselves and to whom, for whatever reason, the neighbourliness of others does not extend. It's far from perfect, but it's there for the time being.

I'm unapologetic, if that view makes me a twisted POS.

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locomotive

Oct-11-13 12:09 PM

Agreed, Matt. Hyperbole only impresses the faithful, of either group.

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MattRothchild

Oct-11-13 10:53 AM

Terrorist: a highly subjective and loaded term usually employed for the purpose of eliciting a specific emotional reaction.

Remember, one man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter". Calling names like this does nothing to advance the discussion.

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muleskinner

Oct-11-13 9:37 AM

Indirectly?

China

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kingdom

Oct-11-13 7:46 AM

the pentagon attorneys studied the first bill that was passed and signed by the President. The Congress was told the death benefits were not covered by the bill. What do you know, they denied it, then finally decided they had to fix it. That is the rest of the story as not heard on Faux News!

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namexxx

Oct-11-13 7:25 AM

Is Wheeling, West Virginia in a different time zone?

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Russ98387

Oct-11-13 2:09 AM

Barack Hussein Obama, Eric Holder and Chuck Hagel made a decision to withhold the death benefits from the families. They did nothing for nine days. It took a Senator from West Virginia to call the Fischer House Charity to get the families to Dover. This was a plan designed to maximize pain to veterans and their families. This is further reinforced with the treatment of WW II veterans earlier. This is nothing but dereliction of duty.

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minreader

Oct-10-13 10:59 PM

WASHINGTON – President Obama signed a bill late Thursday to pay death benefits to families of fallen soldiers during the partial government shutdown.

The move came after the White House drew heavy criticism from Republicans over White House press secretary Jay Carney's comment earlier in the day that it was "not necessary" to sign the bill since a charity already had stepped in to foot the expenses.

The Senate approved the bill Thursday afternoon, after it cleared the House a day earlier. The bill reinstated the $100,000 "death gratuity" payments to military families and resumed funeral and burial expenses.

little o knew about this days ago and did nothing for the fallen families...his intent was to blame the republicans...well it back fired. little o could have signed a executive order like he had done sooooo...many times before...but he didn't why is that??

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minreader

Oct-10-13 10:23 PM

Man...what will it take to get a real leader a real man to lead this great nation!!! little o is such a joke and a loser on all levels of a true measurement of a man and a leader. Some kinda sad huh

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namexxx

Oct-10-13 9:34 PM

You're at an all-time low -- and it's never worth it to punch down.

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namexxx

Oct-10-13 7:43 PM

The Republican party is being hurt . . . badly. Even their foxy friends at Rasmussen have Republicans at an all-time low.

Favorability ratings for our first Black President, however, have actually gone up a few points.

Thanks, Tea Partisans!

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TheDiogenist

Oct-10-13 7:30 PM

Sorry to hear your sugar consumption was reduced to half a pound per person, per week, for the duration of a world war, BDGI.

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MarkHighwater

Oct-10-13 7:16 PM

Kevin Creeper is just out for himself.

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JustaMan

Oct-10-13 7:02 PM

Citizens of North Dakota need to know the stance of Kevin Cramer on the government shutdown.

Saw him standing behind Congressman Yoho of Florida who was giving what they called a Tea Party address today.

Is this what North Dakota wants or needs? I didn't vote for the guy but I do know that the Farm Bill, Medicare,Medicaid & Social Security are considered government liabilities that they would like to privatize for someone like the Koch Brothers to become Trillionaires.

As a country we need to reign in our debt but make sure the politicians we elect are working for us and not for special interests.

Kevin Cramer has been AWOL on the issues and Kevin Cramer I believe is working for someone other than North Dakotans.

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TheDiogenist

Oct-10-13 5:49 PM

There's that word again, 'everybody'. Shall I assume to find you at the great trough of government spending as well? I'm told they are giving out phones there.

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TheDiogenist

Oct-10-13 5:21 PM

BDGI- What people did in the 1930s had nothing to do with bootstraps. Generally speaking, many languished in poverty and high unemployment, necessitating one of the most expansive 'government welfare' programs ever, the 'alphabet soup' of public works projects and subsidy programs you loathe that helped get people along until wartime production spurred the economy back to life. (That, and dropping the restrictive gold standard.)

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TheDiogenist

Oct-10-13 4:54 PM

"we take care of ourselves and don't need big brother sticking his nose in our life at all."

America wouldn't be great if its citizens didn't work together to accomplish great things. Part of that has been (and continues to be, if Congress might let it) through those projects realised by the federal government. As for your 'taking care of ourselves', I'm hard-put to think of a more ungrateful, egotistical, idiotic, and frankly un-American sentiment.

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realwildchyld

Oct-10-13 4:09 PM

TheDiogenist

Why must you think that we need the govt for anything??? We are AMERICANS!!!!!!! we take care of ourselves and don't need big brother sticking his nose in our life at all.

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namexxx

Oct-10-13 3:21 PM

Keep your government hands off my Medicare!

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TheDiogenist

Oct-10-13 3:11 PM

(Regarding Polidork's comment from 10:40) While I wouldn't agree that empathy is solely a 'liberal' phenomenon, Polidork does bring up an interesting point regarding the individualism myth. The phrase 'divide and conquer' sort of springs to mind, as any labour-minded person might tell you. But it does seem to be a common thread amongst self-described conservatives (or those vaguely identifying themselves as 'independents') that all government intervention (i.e. $$$) is bad until they personally need a dose. Such as those griping that FEMA aid didn't do enough following the flood, or wanting the state trust fund to entirely pay for expanded school facilities. Or Hoeven/Heitkamp/et al conspiring to block any studies that might remotely lead to the closure of any ND-based missile defence systems. People do love their pork...

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EarlyBird

Oct-10-13 2:53 PM

polidork wrote; Oct-10-13 10:40 AM After reading many of the comments here, a clear pattern emerges: republicans only care about what affects them personally. The government shutdown doesn't hurt them directly, so it must not affect anyone else either."

The only ones really affected are the federal employees that are nonessential.

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locomotive

Oct-10-13 11:31 AM

"After reading many of the comments here, a clear pattern emerges: republicans only care about what affects them personally."

"Most liberals care about other people, not just themselves."

Very partisan of you to say so, polidork. Not rooted in much reality, but very partisan.

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locomotive

Oct-10-13 11:29 AM

Take the source to task, Veritas.

namexxx is waiting for your ire...

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realwildchyld

Oct-10-13 11:19 AM

polidork wrote this

"After reading many of the comments here, a clear pattern emerges: republicans only care about what affects them personally. The government shutdown doesn't hurt them directly, so it must not affect anyone else either.

The thing is, it's good to consider things from another persons position. It's called empathy. Most liberals care about other people, not just themselves. Of course, we also don't believe the silly fiction of individualism. We all exist within a web of relationships.

There's a huge country beyond Minot ND, with people that many of us consider fellow citizens, not enemies".

Dumbest post I have read on this site ever!!!! Congrats to you polidork!!!!

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polidork

Oct-10-13 10:40 AM

After reading many of the comments here, a clear pattern emerges: republicans only care about what affects them personally. The government shutdown doesn't hurt them directly, so it must not affect anyone else either.

The thing is, it's good to consider things from another persons position. It's called empathy. Most liberals care about other people, not just themselves. Of course, we also don't believe the silly fiction of individualism. We all exist within a web of relationships.

There's a huge country beyond Minot ND, with people that many of us consider fellow citizens, not enemies.

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