The GOP-TPARTY just shut down the government and they just shut down any chance of them ever being a viable party ever again.
"Grandpa whats a Republican or a T-partier?"
"No need to worry, they put themselves out of business a long time ago."
The GOP_TPARTY just destroyed 800,000 American jobs.
They need to pick up their game.
Bush destroyed 9.8 million
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communist care...not for me
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just throwing out blah blah like willgarr is...
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What i hope the ACA or affordable care act is the end of insurance companies cherry picking and playing games with the most important aspect of an Americans life...their health....if we all don't have some skin in game(pun intended)...it ain't gonna work and the status quo will prevail,this is why the T-baggers want to stall and discredit the law.
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The federal gov is shut down. Americans can breathe a sigh relief. We are free at last. We can thank God for such a kind act.
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hard to believe this is turning into a train wreck when the smartest man ever, assisted by the great minds of libs like pelosi and reid, crammed this down the throats of the peasants.
The government has been subsidizing healthcare for years thru employers,medicaid etc...whats the big stink all of a sudden?
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Do you drink a lot of beer?
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Not at all.
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The Republicans have now painted themselves into a corner and they are not looking good. It's a big scramble now to try and look like they are trying to fix this. Their big mistake was listening to a small percentage of people and letting them control their actions. Now they don't know what to do since they have no Plan B. The other day I flipped on Sean Hannutty in the car and his solution was to have a health care savings account!
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Sep 20, 2013 - "More than 60 percent of Americans say they need more information to understand the changes Obamacare will bring." (Newsmax)
Sep 16, 2013 - "A new poll finds 53 percent of people disapprove of ObamaCare" (The Hill)
CBS News/New York Times Poll. Sept. 19-23, 2013Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling their job?" 73% NO 21% YES Little confusing...53% don't like what 60% don't understand and why 60% might not understand is that 73% of Republicans have intentionally sabotaged this "LAW" from the beginning and continue to do so...
Is this legal? Is it moral?
What if Republican dominated states refused to publish information on Social Security or Medicare...Wow, did I just make a prediction?
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All the Dem. controlled senate had to do to avoid this was to agree to live with the same health care plan as they want to force on us! If its so great WHY did they not agree? Answer that Willgarr You spew this lib. garbage that is put out by the lib media, try thinking for your self just once!
Might have to clarify that last post...
73% disapprove the way Republicans are handling their jobs in Congress. (CBS Poll)
Pew says 68% Disapprove & Fox poll says 66%...
In keeping with the MDN standards I will only present one-sided results.
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Congress is not exempt from Obamacare. Like everyone else, lawmakers are required to have health insurance. They’re also required to buy insurance through the marketplaces. The idea is to have lawmakers and their staff buy insurance the same way their uninsured constituents would so they understand what their constituents have to deal with. Most Americans who already get insurance through work are left alone under the law; members of Congress have insurance through work but are treated differently in this regard. Recently, a rule was added so that lawmakers’ could keep the traditional employer contribution to their coverage. But they weren’t exempt from requirements that other Americans face.
Politifact rated this claim False.
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Not nearly enough and this is why lies can run rampant and take down governments.
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From the outset in 1995, the public saw Republicans as more responsible for the shutdown than Clinton. A November ABC News/Washington Post survey found 49% said Republicans in Congress were mainly responsible for standing in the way of an agreement to end the shutdown, just 34% blamed Clinton.
For you see dumb dumb, one number is larger than the other number. Do you see how that works now?
Polls: Americans put more blame on GOP for shutdown than President Obama.
You do know this is how elections also work?
President Obama won
332 to 206 electoral votes
65,899,660 to 60,932,152 popular vote
51.1% 47.2% percentages
Do you see now how one number is bigger than the other?
BDGI these are YOUR quotes!
"Garr this ain't 1995.."
"Looks like the Democrats have shut down the Government.. Same as Clinton did 17 years ago."
Why did you bring up Clinton then? Try to keep track of all the people who post under your name.
The minority doesn't get to dictate the terms of legislation in a democracy. You tea ards have never learned that. Wait until 2014. You will lose everything.
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The man-child BDGI thinks we're playing a game of "Gotcha Last!"
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You won't find "communistCare" at Healthcare.gov. You'll find private insurance policies.
That doesn't go along with their narrative. Only lies and misinformation work for them.
Interesting how the combined vote total for "not enough" and "a little" is some 72% right now. Yet everyone seems to have something to say about it.
Meanwhile, I would bet that even more people don't know how the health insurance/healthcare situation got to this point and that the story begins in 1942...we've been taking steps down the same road ever since. What Obama sold us as "reform" wasn't actually reform; it was just further entrenching the established system and ways of doing things.
Let me see if I've got this right: T-party loves the constitution, but hates the government. But doesn't the constitution set the template for government?
T-party loves democracy but hates the government. But didn't our current government get elected through the democratic process?
T-Party loves personal responsibility and hates socialism, but doesn't Obamacare mandate that individuals take responsibility for themselves and obtain insurance so they don't, for example, use the ER as free medical care?
T-party believes in constitutional democracy, but isn't the GOP controlled house, which is only 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government, using its power of the purse to change legislation that was democratically signed into law?
If I told you that I'd burn your house down unless you killed your dog, would you think that was a fair way to keep your house from being burnt down? Wouldn't you ask: why is this person so desperate to violence towards me?
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polidork, satire or ignorance? The 'Constitution set the template'. Yes, and it is that template that we love, respect, and honor. I suggest you slowly read it to learn all the limits on the federal government that were set forth in that template. Those limits have been all but shredded the last 50 years. Socialism is the very opposite of personal responsibility. Mandates remove freedoms. But, one step further. The Government is looking to the young population, 20 to 30 years, to now get insurance to help 'pay' for health care for the elderly. The is what you are against. But what is ridiculous is that Obamacare NOW puts people on their mommy's and daddy's insurance till they are 26. How the h@!! can thy pay for insurance when they are on another policy.
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A few observations:
"Let me see if I've got this right: T-party loves the constitution, but hates the government. But doesn't the constitution set the template for government?"
It does. It also lays out specific powers for the federal government and later denies it all other powers. Your point is meaningless.
"T-party loves democracy but hates the government. But didn't our current government get elected through the democratic process?"
Yeah, well, democracy isn't necessarily something to be loved in the first place. Horrific things have happened because 50%+1 decided it was cool to take away the rights of 50%-1.
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