I think the parameters of the stand-your-ground laws need to be discussed and narrowed to your property and not the neighborhood. Neighborhood watches should have very strict guidelines and possibly intensive training by law officials. There is a fine line between stand-your-ground and vigilantism.
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The only thing I think is bad is the nomenclature of "stand-your-ground". The phrase has all kinds of decidedly negative baggage attached to it and isn't even a technical legal term.
Rather than use this silly colloquialism that breeds much confusion, we should call it by the technical legal term: "No duty to retreat"
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Good points, keyz & matt.
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Guardian Angels have been around since 1979, they are a very much appreciated group of volunteers who patrol the cities neighborhoods for evil doers.
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If Trayvon would have been on top of me punching me, I would have done the same thing!!!!
I agree with ANIMAL
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so Keys, you think it was OK that Martin was beating Zimmerman and Zimmerman should have no right to defend himself because he was not on his property. A crime was never committed in that case until Trayvon reeled back and punch Zimmerman right in the nose. If anyone broke the law that night it was Trayvon, and he paid dearly for it. But he got what he asked for that night. Sad, but true.
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"If anyone broke the law that night it was Trayvon, and he paid dearly for it. But he got what he asked for that night."
I'd think what Trayvon might have asked for was to get home without being confronted by what looked like a skinhead with a gun in the darkened parking lot. If anything, Martin was the one 'standing his ground'. The tragedy is that Zimmerman was the one with the gun, and so the only one left to tell the tale.
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JKniffin, I think that Zimmerman should have stayed in his car and done safe distance surveilance. He had NO business getting out of his car to pursue.
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The only 'road' Martin walked down was to where he was going to sleep that night. Why don't you question what role Zimmerman's parents had in producing a violent, self-appointed vigilante and genuinely unlikeable character. The sort of person who would ignore police advice and confront a teenager because he was black and seemed up to no good. The kind of coward who, rather than take the beating he was unexpectedly but deservedly receiving from the person he hoped to bully, turned to his gun to murder an unarmed person. 'Self-defence', my Aunt Margaret...
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What do their being women have to do with anything? I'm not going to besmirch the good name of conservatism (because my guess is that you're lost on the fringe of reasonability, H4C), but the only stretching being done here is in turning what should be a straightforward travesty of justice into something political. You're not defending Zimmerman or glad he was acquitted. You (and like-minded, unnamed others) really see this as an exoneration of 'stand your ground' laws and your extremist take on 2nd Amendment rights. Which is why the crux of your arguments revolve less around the cause-and-effect facts of the matter than making Martin out to be an unseemly thug who 'had it coming'. 'If not this, then something else,' sort of shoulder shrugging.
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Bit of a non sequitur, isn't it? How'd Detroit come into this? Or California? Et cetera? You're frothing mad.
Again though, at what point in American English did 'protecting yourself' become synonymous with 'automatic resort to lethal force', and how does that apply to George Zimmerman under the circumstances? He was the aggressor, instigating the entire incident.
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"Anyone protesting the verdict is a racist."
HahahahahaHAHAHAHA! Oh, really, that's too much...
Keep saying ChIraq, DustOff. It's clever and not at all distracting from your point. If it's even a point, mind.
Chicago (again, off topic from the 'stand your ground' thread, but whatever) is being torn apart by violence, yes. But it has as much to do with high capacity magazines as it does with the city's gun policies; i.e. none. I'd be perplexed that you would so strongly think as much, if I at all thought you were thinking about anything other than the slippery-slope sanctity of your own shoulder holster.
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And not that he's the only black community leader in the country, but Al Sharpton had announced yesterday that he'll be moving to Chicago to work with local organisers there trying to stop the violence. (You know, a proactive response.)
Oh, right, sorry. It hadn't occured to me that you need to flaunt it from your belt.
I agree with Hope4Change,Rachel Jeantel told Piers Morgan a lot, without realizing what she said. She sure liked saying the "Blood" and "Whoopass" pronunciation (wup azz) over and over again. I agree with the Verdict. I have no plans to visit Florida, Chicago, California, or New York any time soon.
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You'd asked where the leaders were, and there you go. The violence in Chicago is overwhelmingly affecting the black community there, and many of the same figures upset over the Zimmerman outcome are similarly active in working to curb the city's woes. (Maybe more active; it's less divisive, so probably gets less coverage in the news.) It's hard to say what effect it'll all have, if any, but it's better to try and fix a problem than it is to ignore and hide from it at arm's length.
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Veritas, a white 17 year old boy got shot my the name Marly Lions, by a black and 3 of his friends. I haven't heard a peep about that. And what's good for London is great. We are not London.
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Excuse me, Marly Lion.
Inasmuch as this isn't London, neither is the Martin murder anything like Lion's. His death was very swiftly investigated by police, his probable killers identified and arrested within a month. You haven't heard a peep because the system worked, in that situation. As to why it worked in the one case and not the other is up for debate.
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Your right, he didn't jump a black boy, and punch him in the nose first, he just got shot, sleeping in his vehicle because he just left a party and was wise enough not to drive. And the black man wasn't called a white black. And Veritas, look it up if your interested. Otherwise the verdict was absolutely correct in this case.
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And Veritas, maybe Trayvon Martin was a so so Character. You know like you called my Rancher Friend that was Murdered by 6 White People. Yea, you judge people, and your not very good at it. If they are not Liberal, they are mentally handicapped.
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Neat segue there, Veritas, from Missy's topic into the tried and true talking points.
Of course, it's the Republicans' fault. /sarc/
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