After your first comment, I wouldn't want you to carry either.
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Personally, if it were me the gun would be concealed and no one but me and the required personal would know I had it. I understand how long death lasts and wish that for no one.
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Rugby reader, don't forget it's the criminals not the rest of us who assault people. What would you protect yourself with if confronted by a person with a gun who intends to do serious harm to you. How about some sort of sleeping gas that could quickly and harmlessly put everyone at the school asleep until we could get the crazy ones into custody. This is just as crazy so feel free to laugh.
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"...it's the criminals not the rest of us who assault people."
Not specifically directing this at Early, but that pretty much sums up the argument. At what point does one of the 'rest of us' become criminal? Obviously, when they assault someone.
Even today, the monsters seem due on Maple Street. (For those of you who might remember your Rod Serling...)
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Yes, lets fill schools with guns and see how many students and teachers end up dying.
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Well, if I were a student at a school that had a teacher who carried a gun, I'd carry a gun to school for my own protection.
You never know when one of those teachers with a gun might go postal at the school.
Best not to take any chances.
Hahaha maybe sleeping gas was a good idea. I wasn't insinuating being safe is crazy by the way.
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didn't know we were counting, but my comment rec'd 7 ;-)
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Weigh the options: How many school shootings have there been that we could reasonably expect to have been prevented by a teacher with a gun, versus how many school shootings could be caused by an angry student managing to get a hold of a teacher's gun.
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Building on Heisenberg's comment, the dangers wouldn't necessarily be limited to an angry student's obtaining of a teacher/deputy/loosely-organised-citizen-soldier's weapon either; any number of accidents, misfortunes, or simple acts of negligence could result that would far outweigh any safety the weapons might be intended to provide. Plus it's an unreasonable assumption that most any of these lay figures would react appropriately in a worst-case scenario. Many ranking police officials have come forward in the past few months with the professional opinion that multiple armed persons in such a situation would unnecessarily complicate matters and possibly delay police response.
And considering for a moment the general motivations for many (if not most) teachers, it is a terrible lot to expect of them their ability to shoot with intent to kill a student (i.e. child, gun or no), who they probably know and possibly know quite well. At least some of the time (more so than instances of vigilantism, in any case) these adults are able to talk the student down or otherwise prevent further carnage.
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Sort of silly, BGDGI, when you consider Texas police are still looking for the person or persons who shot a lawyer right outside of a courthouse. Or that on 5 April an officer was shot and killed inside the Jackson, MS, police headquarters.
...which is not to in any way give your argument an undue sense of weight or practicability. Because following your line of thought, once every school was armed to the teeth these 'gunmen' would simply pick other non-armed targets. The cycle would continue until virtually everyone would be armed at all times. What you're suggesting as a solution to gun violence is a broken society which mirrors Mogadishu at its worst moments, or a bad day in the Lebanon. It's utter nonsense.
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There are schools in the Fargo districts that have had gun protection for several years.
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Lets just hope the criminals don't start to use poison like they did back in the 70-80's. Remember when people were dying from tampered food and medicine? If you forgot maybe you remember razor blades and poison for Halloween. In a contest of violence the most violent contender will surely win.
Perhaps inadvertently, I think Early has a finger on the pulse of the thing. Razor blades and foodstuff tampering - like the "HIV pins" which scared people off from public phones a couple decades ago - are both examples of urban myth or overblown anomalies, largely the product of the media playing off people's boundless love of worry. School shootings, while horrific, are in and of themselves rare and unlikely. However, they condense and highlight broader flaws in the culture. Focusing entirely on any one particular element of these flaws has little chance of producing an effective or meaningful sort of improvement.
Hi D. You are incorrect to think I inadvertently thought and wrote my opinion. That is my true opinion and you are welcome to use it as yours. I am not young and do have a pretty good memory yet.
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E, I was simply pointing out that your opinion, while being factually incorrect, still highlighted rather well the frame of mind which has mired both sides of this 'gun debate' in America. In arguing over the ridiculous, Americans essentially are forgetting to have any meaningful sort of discussion (thus, the mire). And while you may remember poison, blades, etc, you are mistaken in thinking (then or now) that it was ever anything more substantial than hype or mild hysteria. Which happens, and is something we're generally all drawn into from time to time. But in this case I'm speaking with the benefits of hindsight and documentation at our disposal that show these things were largely invented/fictional and long since debunked as such.
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D. Sorry but i was living in LA, CA when that stuff was going on and yes it was happening. But you are correct about the media always trying to leverage everything. You have a good mind, almost Priestly.
Mr. D, Many stores put in cameras back then and we watched quite a few attempts to poison groceries and candy. Thankfully the cameras don't lie and the trend subsided to nearly nothing after people were justly punished for their deadly actions.
Well I took time to read wiki and snopes and from that I gather you bought the book "Halloween Sadism: the evidence". Hang in there buddy nobody's perfect.
I waited all day to work this in.... How high is the water Mama, How high is the water Papa.. it's ten feet high and rising...
D, Part of my mind is thinking about the drinking and driving laws, have one drink more than you are supposed to and you become a killer with a deadly weapon and are punished accordingly. I agree we cannot change society to meet random acts such as we discussed and I also agree the same media hype and leverage is being used to control guns and gun owners.
addendum: If you take one more drink than you are supposed to and get behind the steering wheel of a car you become a killer with a deadly weapon.
veritas, I'm glad you understand and hopefully you can use your new knowledge to gain some independence.
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