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Obama’s pipeline timetable

February 26, 2014

A couple of months....

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GoInPeace

Mar-07-14 9:09 AM

Just love keeping the rightwing nuts in limbo.Goinpeace

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locomotive

Mar-03-14 2:40 PM

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"Founded in 2004, Raw Story reaches 9 million unique readers per month and serves more than 30 million pageviews."

This little "about Raw Story" info says that our "infotainment culture" is interested in stories "driven solely by pageviews."

Isn't it funny that their pageview amount is the last info bit one reads about them?

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locomotive

Mar-01-14 12:25 PM

There's that billigerence again.

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EarlyBird

Mar-01-14 7:12 AM

GO Blue Dogs!!!!!

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 9:32 PM

"But the real difference overall is how far to the right both parties (and thus the country as a whole) have moved over the past several decades."

And yet elections keep happening, and the power keeps going back and forth, first one party, then another.

All that tension should finally lead to something great. Hope I'm around to see it.

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:56 PM

From politicaldictionary . com

"Boll weevil Democrats were conservative southern Democrats in the mid 1900s, largely known for their opposition to civil rights. They used the term because the boll weevil, a southern pest, could not be eliminated by pesticides – politicians therefore thought of them as a symbol of tenacity.

"The term fell out of use in the 1980s, and conservative Democrats are now known as Blue Dogs."

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"The Blue Dog Democrats were formed in 1995 by approximately thirty conservative-leaning House Democrats who sought to challenge the liberal tilt of the broader Democratic party. After Republicans took control of Congress in 1994 by a narrow margin, the Blue Dogs sought to become the swing vote.

"Former Rep. Pete Geren (D-TX) is credited with the term by explaining these conservative Democrats had been “choked blue” by liberals in his party."

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:49 PM

I just don't see a Republican monolith for the years 1995-2012. Sorry, HAetc, there have been Democrats in Congress during those years too, and yes, they voted on bills that were introduced before them.

It's so easy to blame one party for everything. But when info is introduced that it might not have been just one party responsible for everything, then you've said, "well, it wasn't the truly liberal Democrats."

Fine, but that's awful close to having one's cake and eating it too. If Democrats were there and voting yea or nay, then they bear some (notice I didn't say all) of the responsibility too.

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:46 PM

"In what was reminiscent of the 1994 elections, Republicans won back control of the House in the 2010 elections. The Senate however remained with the Democrats (51 Democrats, 47 Republicans, and 2 Independents caucusing with the Democrats). Republicans also won a majority of state governorships and State Legislatures. The congressional elections of 2012 brought no change of control in either the House or Senate."

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:46 PM

"The Senate shifted to control by the Democrats (though they technically were the plurality party as they were one short of a majority) after GOP senator Jim Jeffords changed party registration to "Independent" in June 2001, but later returned to Republican control after the November 2002 elections. In the 2006 elections, Democrats won both the House of Representatives (233 Democrats, 202 Republicans) and the Senate (49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and 2 Independents caucusing with the Democrats) as well as the majority of state governorships (28-22)..."

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:45 PM

"In the 1996, 1998, and 2000 elections, Republicans lost Congressional seats but still retained control of the House and, more narrowly, the Senate. After the 2000 election, the Senate was divided evenly between the parties, with Republicans retaining the right to organize the Senate due to the election of Dick Cheney as Vice President and ex officio presiding officer of the Senate..."

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:43 PM

Wow, what's in the lemonade tonight, HAetc?

This from wiki, to be taken with the usual grain of salt concerning wiki...

"When the 104th United States Congress convened in January 1995, House Republicans voted former Minority Whip Newt Gingrich – the chief author of the Contract with America – to become Speaker of the House, while the new senatorial Republican majority chose Bob Dole, previously Minority Leader, as Majority Leader. With their newfound power, Republicans pursued an ambitious agenda but were often forced to compromise with Democratic President Bill Clinton, who wielded veto power. (Imagine that.)

"The 1994 election also marked the end of the Conservative Coalition, a bipartisan coalition of conservative Republicans and Democrats (often referred to as "boll weevil Democrats" for their association with the U.S. South), which had often managed to control Congressional outcomes since the New Deal era."

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:19 PM

Wow, HAetc, with all the "love" you're talking about, who needs hate?

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:17 PM

Personally, at the time Mr. Hamm testified before the 2011 legislature about ND's extraction tax rates, I wasn't impressed with the implicit threat of taking his business elsewhere. Go ahead.

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locomotive

Feb-28-14 7:16 PM

I agree that Mr. Hamm has always looked out for Mr. Hamm.

"...Continental Resources has recently expanded drilling activities to France. Just last month, (Harold) Hamm told Bloomberg’s Business Journal that his company “is pursuing a permit to drill for oil and gas on 67,000 acres in the Paris Basin in France,” because they can use the horizontal drilling techniques developed in ND to tap France’s oil resources. In an interview with PlainsDaily last week, Hamm confirmed that the French government is being very accommodating and giving the company favorable business incentives."

I figure that no matter what, oil companies will do what's best for them in the long run. So our state has to have in place the taxes, assurances, and guarantees from those companies so the land and people of ND are compensated for disruption and for reclamation when they find more "favorable business" opportunities elsewhere.

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EarlyBird

Feb-28-14 10:44 AM

...how his group helped block permits for the pipeline. “We didn’t want all that oil dumped in Oklahoma.”

Hamm didn’t want American markets flooded with cheap Canadian crude, but when TransCanada agreed to accept Bakken crude into the Keystone pipeline as well, Hamm changed his tune.

Which was…convenient.

So why has Hamm changed his tune again? Probably because the situation has changed again. The infrastructure crunch for the Bakken is showing signs of easing, and will be eased even more by the time Keystone ever gets approval, so the most profitable course of action is for Hamm to oppose it again from the standpoint of protecting the markets he operates in.

That may be a smart move for Hamm, who was never supporting the Keystone pipeline from a desire to promote free markets and fair competition. Those things are what’s best for the market, and thus energy consumers, but not so much for people like Hamm.

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EarlyBird

Feb-28-14 10:43 AM

Harold Hamm, CEO of Continental Resources which is acknowledged as the biggest player in North Dakota’s Bakken oil boom, says the Keystone pipeline isn’t necessary any more (via Aaron Flint):

Oklahoma’s pre-emiment oilman, Continental Resources CEO Harold Hamm, joined the chorus after developer TransCanada agreed to add an on-ramp to transport oil from the Bakken Shale in North Dakota and Montana. But apparently Hamm has changed his mind on the project. “It’s not critical any longer,” Hamm told National Journal Daily‘s Amy Harder. “They just waited too long. The industry is very innovative, and it finds other ways of doing it and other routes.” This may come as a surprise to some, but it’s worth remembering that no so very long ago Hamm was an opponent of the Keystone pipeline, even going so far as to form a lobbying group in 2009 to oppose the building of the pipeline. ”We basically stopped Keystone at the border,” Hamm said in an interview with Reuters at the time explaining...

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centerfield

Feb-28-14 12:56 AM

Obviously, loco, I need to be much more precise on my typing so that you don't miss interpret my post. I want a Bakken pipeline to transport US crude to US refineries in the US. These refineries would be located close to high population areas for distribution. Obviously, it was my mistake to not completely clarify that statement as I understand your right wing comprehension level. Now, could you and your friends-animal, chad, rushslide, whistler, etc. Please list the reasons that you support the XL and please list your references. 1,2,3,4,

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locomotive

Feb-27-14 8:22 PM

I read Jack's source: it was the New York Times, 1999. Is that Fox News too? Don't tell them...

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locomotive

Feb-27-14 4:58 PM

"The Dakota Prairie Refining facility will have aggregate throughput capacity of approximately 20,000 bpd."

There.

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locomotive

Feb-27-14 4:57 PM

So Dakota Prairie instead of KXL? The left has no problems with a new refinery, right? Well, if they do, they'll tell us.

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locomotive

Feb-27-14 4:54 PM

Now back to the present...

eia . gov

"There were a total of 143 operable petroleum refineries in the United States as of January 1, 2013.

"The "newest" refinery in the United States began operating in 2008 in Douglas, Wyoming. However, the newest refinery with atmospheric distillation capacity greater than 100,000 barrels per day began operating in 1977 in Garyville, Louisiana.

"Ground was broken in March 2013 for construction of a new refinery in North Dakota. The 20,000-barrel-per-day (bbl/d) Dakota Prairie facility is scheduled to be built in 20 months."

calumetspecialty . com/about-us/facilities/dakota-prairie-refining

"Located in Stark County, the 375-acre site is four miles west of Dickinson, N.D. south of I-94.

"The site was selected for its proximity to critical infrastructure such as rail, highway, natural gas, electricity, water and sewer.

"The Dakota Prairie Refining facility will have aggregate throughput capacity of

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locomotive

Feb-27-14 4:50 PM

The word "refine" has jogged my memory...

Set the way back machine to 5-9-2005 NYTimes

"The last refinery to be completed in the United States was in 1976...The business of turning crude oil into gasoline, jet fuel or heating oil has rarely been a lucrative proposition. It has dismal profit margins compared with its more glamorous cousin, exploration. It is highly cyclical and fairly unpredictable, because demand for gasoline swings sharply by season. And because of low oil prices over the past decades, refiners have been forced into cutthroat competition that has driven many of the smaller refiners out of business."

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locomotive

Feb-27-14 4:44 PM

"...we need to refine the Bakken crude here instead of shipping it to Canada. we need pipelines to our refineries so that h finished product is used here."

I guess this means that centerish is not an "alternative energy only" type. And I guess this means that she answered my question, even though I had to slog through a few posts to get to it. No worries. Words don't bother me.

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locomotive

Feb-27-14 4:41 PM

Pleasant and encouraging as always, centerish.

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centerfield

Feb-27-14 4:00 PM

Gosh, I thought that the topic of this blog was the XL. But, if you cannot justify your position, change the subject. Loco, is that the Best you have??? Pretty pathetic answer.

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