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Where are the liberals?

December 21, 2013

Avis L. Tvedt, Lake Metigoshe It was fascinating really, if somewhat on the tedious side. This fall I took it upon myself to do some fact finding regarding the Opinion Page of The Minot Daily News....

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JackAaah

Jan-03-14 4:57 PM

.....sometimes I am a thankless fool.

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JackAaah

Jan-03-14 3:01 PM

.....I am resisting that urge....but it is very difficult.

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chadk66

Dec-28-13 9:57 AM

veritas, you don't think liberal politicians own stock in oil companies, etc.? dude you really need to pull your head out of the sand.

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landslide14

Dec-27-13 2:53 PM

Whatsupdoc.. Ya know drinking too much kool aid is believed to cause cancer of the brain..

Better start checking facts and data about McDonalds workers,WalMart.. and well your at it check other businesses too becasue most are paying the same exact wages..

And once Obamacare hits the big business all THOSE people will be living off food stamps and welfare too..

Oh the road to victory in 2014 is going to be paved with Obamas health insurance laws..everyone will be hating on him and the Dems once the summer of 2014 comes about..

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landslide14

Dec-27-13 2:50 PM

Obama Liar of the Year Award,..

Wonder if he keeps that trophy on the mantel at the White house or if he took it over to Hawaii and tried to bury it in the sand pits he dug playing on the golf couse????

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landslide14

Dec-27-13 2:48 PM

Yup Obma is pooring 85 billion a WEEK into the stock market hoping for Campaign fund contributions..

The Democrats CLAIM to hate the rich but they are padding their pockets on a daily basis..as the middle class gets less income..

Talk out both sides of their face or to use a more common word THEY LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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chadk66

Dec-27-13 10:44 AM

and let's never forget that liberal politicians buy stocks in the corporations the liberals loath the worst. and receive campaign funds from most.

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angeR69

Dec-27-13 1:35 AM

And just what is it about a corporation that makes it inherently evil? Can you tell me, because I just don't get it? Liberals always seem to want to vilify the corporate entity, but I defy any one of you to produce one single word on this corporate web site that was not made possible through the organized productive efforts men and women employed by multitudes of corporations.

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angeR69

Dec-27-13 1:35 AM

You want to talk about corporate welfare? As if liberals aren't elbow-deep into that corporate cookie jar. Corporate welfare takes on a lot of different forms - bailouts, loan guarantees, and direct cash payments and subsidies in the form of tax credits. Not to mention onerous regulation that rewards favored enterprises and penalizes the those deemed unfavorable. You're right. The founders would be appalled!

I can also tell you what isn't corporate welfare - across-the-board tax rate reductions and limited tax deductions applied evenly within an industry and across multiple industries. Only in the mind of a liberal does a corporate tax rate reduction equal corporate welfare. The welfare comes in when you manipulate the tax code to pick winners and losers. Liberal lawmakers are just as involved in it as the entrenched corporatist Republicans, if not more so. Simplify the tax code and you would have some very happy conservatives.

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angeR69

Dec-27-13 1:34 AM

" ... and leaving out all those others like the defense industry & the corporate cookie jar bunch? Seems like the forefathers might have a thing or two to say about that... "

National defense was the primary reason for forming the federal government. Yes there is waste. Yes our defense dollars could be spent better. There will always be room for discussion on that, but it's kind of hard to focus on the defense budget when better than 60 percent of the federal budget is bloated with entitlements and services the founders never would have anticipated.

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landslide14

Dec-26-13 4:36 PM

Harry Reid cooked the Democrats goose with his 50% law..Viewpoints change....... Allegiances shift......... Voting patterns are not chiseled in stone. The GOP will again win control of the Senate and the White House – and sooner than many Democrats seem to think thanks to the debacle that is Obamacare. When they do and they will they will use these new rules to their own advantage while the Democrats and their left-liberal allies in the major media yelp like scalded dogs about the unfairness and undemocratic nature of what is going on. In the end what Reid has done will make it easier than it has been for conservatives to put an end to the cradle-to-grave liberal welfare state that is the dream of the progressive movement.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:29 AM

Play with words all you want, but don't tell me this, what we have now, was what our forefathers intended. I ain't buying it.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:25 AM

"The Bill of Rights ensured the principles the Revolutionary War was fought for which reflected liberal ideas of the time..."

The Bill of Rights, a compromise between federalists and anti-federalists, was amended to the constitution as a condition of ratification. Yes it reflected the 'liberal' values of the time - which I should remind you centered on the rights of the individual. The Bill of Rights protected the individual and placed limitations on the new federal government.

That's a far cry from the philosophy pushed by today's so-called 'liberal': cradle-to-grave dependency on government.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:24 AM

"... whereby liberal values thought to be conservative were put into the foundation of this Democratic Republic..."

What? Thought to be conservative? Thought to be conservative when? Now or then? This makes absolutely no sense. The only 'conservatives' that existed at the time were British loyalists.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:23 AM

"... which in turn produced the Constitution ... "

Well, there was a little thing called the Revolutionary War that had to conclude first. Then there were the Articles of Confederation, which, although adequate for the task of uniting the nation and winning independence in 1783, proved altogether inadequate as a framework for a national government going forward.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:23 AM

"The Declaration of Independence was/is considered to be a very liberal document..."

No argument there, except in that the word 'liberal' has taken on a new and vastly different meaning in the years since the Declaration was drafted.

As I stated before, words can mean anything if they mean nothing at all.

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landslide14

Dec-26-13 10:13 AM

Funny but Yesterdays were3 what produced this bunch if idiots we have in the country.. I guess yesterday should never have happened and we would not be dealing with a bunch of loose cannons..who live off other people.. and are proud of it and brag about it..

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JackAaah

Dec-26-13 8:03 AM

just checked and the MDN still is not allowing comments to our liberal Community Columnist James Lien....

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JackAaah

Dec-26-13 7:57 AM

PJ....I feel you just made that up to say something....I interchanged them and both seem to fit either description....I did Come Together on that.....

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Legend

Dec-25-13 10:25 PM

I believe Colin Powell resigned when he learned the reasons 4 the iraq war were staged. The republican machine did that and likes to war monger. The party had only more of the same to offer in the next 2 elections. he had nowhere to go but left. I think he would have gone left no matter who ran. he was not alone.

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landslide14

Dec-24-13 11:51 PM

God made it all possible you idiot..

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JackAaah

Dec-24-13 4:40 PM

I've seen comments by our Democrats of what I have described.....you are not the ONLY democrat out there, willies....sometimes we Democrats do think the world revolves around us, individually.

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JackAaah

Dec-24-13 1:32 PM

And I know Verts is right about our Founders and the Constitution,,,they did not come here to escape oppressive government....but to build a better oppressive government....

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JackAaah

Dec-24-13 1:30 PM

All I know is that it is our Democrat Party (notice our comments) that just ridicules religion and the Invisible Man in the Sky...I think we do it to move forword....

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locomotive

Dec-24-13 11:33 AM

So there are those that wish to characterize themselves as "liberal conservatives." No surprise there. Some have proudly worn the "moderate" label to describe themselves too. Whatever floats the boat.

I am surprised that a self-professing liberal conservative would wrap himself in the banner of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence to justify the label.

Isn't that what the Tea Party people do? Trumpet the principles of the founding fathers' documents?

Now what was that certain liberal conservative label that's been used recently about Tea Party people?

Anyone?

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