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Where are the liberals?

December 21, 2013

Avis L. Tvedt, Lake Metigoshe It was fascinating really, if somewhat on the tedious side. This fall I took it upon myself to do some fact finding regarding the Opinion Page of The Minot Daily News....

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chadk66

Dec-28-13 9:57 AM

veritas, you don't think liberal politicians own stock in oil companies, etc.? dude you really need to pull your head out of the sand.

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landslide14

Dec-27-13 2:53 PM

Whatsupdoc.. Ya know drinking too much kool aid is believed to cause cancer of the brain..

Better start checking facts and data about McDonalds workers,WalMart.. and well your at it check other businesses too becasue most are paying the same exact wages..

And once Obamacare hits the big business all THOSE people will be living off food stamps and welfare too..

Oh the road to victory in 2014 is going to be paved with Obamas health insurance laws..everyone will be hating on him and the Dems once the summer of 2014 comes about..

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landslide14

Dec-27-13 2:50 PM

Obama Liar of the Year Award,..

Wonder if he keeps that trophy on the mantel at the White house or if he took it over to Hawaii and tried to bury it in the sand pits he dug playing on the golf couse????

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landslide14

Dec-27-13 2:48 PM

Yup Obma is pooring 85 billion a WEEK into the stock market hoping for Campaign fund contributions..

The Democrats CLAIM to hate the rich but they are padding their pockets on a daily basis..as the middle class gets less income..

Talk out both sides of their face or to use a more common word THEY LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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chadk66

Dec-27-13 10:44 AM

and let's never forget that liberal politicians buy stocks in the corporations the liberals loath the worst. and receive campaign funds from most.

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angeR69

Dec-27-13 1:35 AM

And just what is it about a corporation that makes it inherently evil? Can you tell me, because I just don't get it? Liberals always seem to want to vilify the corporate entity, but I defy any one of you to produce one single word on this corporate web site that was not made possible through the organized productive efforts men and women employed by multitudes of corporations.

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angeR69

Dec-27-13 1:35 AM

You want to talk about corporate welfare? As if liberals aren't elbow-deep into that corporate cookie jar. Corporate welfare takes on a lot of different forms - bailouts, loan guarantees, and direct cash payments and subsidies in the form of tax credits. Not to mention onerous regulation that rewards favored enterprises and penalizes the those deemed unfavorable. You're right. The founders would be appalled!

I can also tell you what isn't corporate welfare - across-the-board tax rate reductions and limited tax deductions applied evenly within an industry and across multiple industries. Only in the mind of a liberal does a corporate tax rate reduction equal corporate welfare. The welfare comes in when you manipulate the tax code to pick winners and losers. Liberal lawmakers are just as involved in it as the entrenched corporatist Republicans, if not more so. Simplify the tax code and you would have some very happy conservatives.

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angeR69

Dec-27-13 1:34 AM

" ... and leaving out all those others like the defense industry & the corporate cookie jar bunch? Seems like the forefathers might have a thing or two to say about that... "

National defense was the primary reason for forming the federal government. Yes there is waste. Yes our defense dollars could be spent better. There will always be room for discussion on that, but it's kind of hard to focus on the defense budget when better than 60 percent of the federal budget is bloated with entitlements and services the founders never would have anticipated.

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landslide14

Dec-26-13 4:36 PM

Harry Reid cooked the Democrats goose with his 50% law..Viewpoints change....... Allegiances shift......... Voting patterns are not chiseled in stone. The GOP will again win control of the Senate and the White House – and sooner than many Democrats seem to think thanks to the debacle that is Obamacare. When they do and they will they will use these new rules to their own advantage while the Democrats and their left-liberal allies in the major media yelp like scalded dogs about the unfairness and undemocratic nature of what is going on. In the end what Reid has done will make it easier than it has been for conservatives to put an end to the cradle-to-grave liberal welfare state that is the dream of the progressive movement.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:29 AM

Play with words all you want, but don't tell me this, what we have now, was what our forefathers intended. I ain't buying it.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:25 AM

"The Bill of Rights ensured the principles the Revolutionary War was fought for which reflected liberal ideas of the time..."

The Bill of Rights, a compromise between federalists and anti-federalists, was amended to the constitution as a condition of ratification. Yes it reflected the 'liberal' values of the time - which I should remind you centered on the rights of the individual. The Bill of Rights protected the individual and placed limitations on the new federal government.

That's a far cry from the philosophy pushed by today's so-called 'liberal': cradle-to-grave dependency on government.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:24 AM

"... whereby liberal values thought to be conservative were put into the foundation of this Democratic Republic..."

What? Thought to be conservative? Thought to be conservative when? Now or then? This makes absolutely no sense. The only 'conservatives' that existed at the time were British loyalists.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:23 AM

"... which in turn produced the Constitution ... "

Well, there was a little thing called the Revolutionary War that had to conclude first. Then there were the Articles of Confederation, which, although adequate for the task of uniting the nation and winning independence in 1783, proved altogether inadequate as a framework for a national government going forward.

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angeR69

Dec-26-13 10:23 AM

"The Declaration of Independence was/is considered to be a very liberal document..."

No argument there, except in that the word 'liberal' has taken on a new and vastly different meaning in the years since the Declaration was drafted.

As I stated before, words can mean anything if they mean nothing at all.

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landslide14

Dec-26-13 10:13 AM

Funny but Yesterdays were3 what produced this bunch if idiots we have in the country.. I guess yesterday should never have happened and we would not be dealing with a bunch of loose cannons..who live off other people.. and are proud of it and brag about it..

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landslide14

Dec-24-13 11:51 PM

God made it all possible you idiot..

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locomotive

Dec-24-13 11:33 AM

So there are those that wish to characterize themselves as "liberal conservatives." No surprise there. Some have proudly worn the "moderate" label to describe themselves too. Whatever floats the boat.

I am surprised that a self-professing liberal conservative would wrap himself in the banner of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence to justify the label.

Isn't that what the Tea Party people do? Trumpet the principles of the founding fathers' documents?

Now what was that certain liberal conservative label that's been used recently about Tea Party people?

Anyone?

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chadk66

Dec-24-13 9:07 AM

there is no difference between a liberal conservative and a conservative liberal. the congress is full of them. But they are just like being "a little bit pregnant".

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bushandcheneylied

Dec-24-13 12:27 AM

Why did this person waste the time doing this.I could have told them that MDN is a big time hob nobing republicam newspaper.

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angeR69

Dec-24-13 12:06 AM

Happy Holidays to you and yours as well, loco...

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angeR69

Dec-23-13 11:52 PM

"It might be convenient if not down right lazy for some to put people in idealogical boxes...More than likely a confidence issue..."

On that, I agree. One box in particular is way overused in this forum. Can anyone guess which box that may be? I'll give you a clue: It starts with "R" and ends with "acist".

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landslide14

Dec-23-13 11:02 PM

This is Vewritas talking to his Republican wife..

Tea Party...Is this what they're calling jerks these days?

Veritas is calling his wife a jerk.. Go figure...

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chadk66

Dec-23-13 6:56 PM

Liberal Conservative? Is that what they're calling it now? LOL

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landslide14

Dec-23-13 6:13 PM

Speaking of true racists..

“Losing a football game *****,” Democratic Rep. Joe Fitzgibbon wrote in a now-deleted message. “Losing to a desert racist wasteland ***** a lot.”

Powell has proven to us he is a racist.. He didnt back his own party ..he voted for Obama becasue of the color of his skin.. OBVIOUS!!!

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landslide14

Dec-23-13 4:26 PM

Colin Powell voted for color.. Had nothing to do with party..

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