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December 1, 2013

Ashlee Swartwout, Minot On Dec. 10, a huge decision for Minot will be made. This is the day when citizens will vote on the bond issue....

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citizen24

Dec-01-13 5:33 AM

Ive considered all the facts and have also seen the recent slow down in people coming into the city. Therefore, unless those that are here start having big families like bygone years I believe the projections of increased student population are inaccurate.

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citizen24

Dec-01-13 5:33 AM

So I must vote no.

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Nancy1

Dec-01-13 10:27 AM

I agree the student population might slow in growth. However, the schools already need expansion. Portables, like FEMA trailers, are meant to be temporary fixes. Most schools are crowded as well as many maintenance issues need to be addressed. That is why I am voting yes.

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 10:49 AM

The students are already here. The growth can slow but it doesn't change the fact we have 700+ kids in kindergarten and over 2000 students in K-2. The schools are using 24 portables. Other evidence in the community suggests otherwise. Expansion of the airport, MDN article talking about 900 new homes in the next 10 years, Sanford and St. Alexius have gotten their foot in the door in Minot, two new grocery stores in the past year have opened, multiple hotels, restaurants, Home Depot, etc. Yep, looks like Minot is slowing down. Have you stayed informed on the oil play? This is big and it isn't going away. We were warned 5-8 years ago to think BIG and long term in this community. It is time to be forward thinking!

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ChasinND

Dec-01-13 11:03 AM

**VOTE NO ON BOTH ITEMS ON DECEMBER 10TH!!**

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Legend

Dec-01-13 11:40 AM

Fact is our taxes are too high already. If we don't turn the spending mentality around, our children will face the same problems and worse. We need our infrastructure repaird. Stop MADC. If we must have city sales tax, convert it to infrastructure repair or tax relief. We have more business than we can handle and pushing for more is just GREED, at the taxpayer expense. Vote NO.

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 12:26 PM

Of the 11 largest populated cities in North Dakota, Minot ranks 8th in total mills levied. Only Bismarck, Dickinson, and Williston Rank lower. Education is the best investment any community can make. By the way, if we "have more businesses than we can handle", then I must be at the wrong businesses. The stores have empty shelves, long lines, and parking spaces are 1/2 mile away. Restaurants require 1-1.5 hour waits. Fast food lines, especially drive through can take 15 minutes. "Seeing is believing, is often explained as, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it. In truth, our minds work in the reverse. An accurate description of human perception is I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't believed it." Legend, it is time to support our schools because the reality is alarming and scary!

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concerned

Dec-01-13 1:34 PM

The fact is do your research call the Ward County Tax Assessor who puts together your property taxes and sends out the bills....I did do my research before the bond and $1,000 a year before the vote in this area where we live....NO, way! And no is the vote....what a joke no tax relief here.....

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 3:03 PM

Your property has likely tripled in value. Why wouldn't you expect to pay more in taxes. If you sell, are you going to donate the difference of the purchase price and the sale price to the city? Hardly, the money will go into your pockets. The truth is, residents in Minot have been at the bottom of the 12 largest cities for at least 20 years when it comes to paying property taxes. This has come at the expense of our schools which have not had a new one built for 40 years.

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ChasinND

Dec-01-13 3:48 PM

**VOTE NO ON BOTH ITEMS ON DECEMBER 10TH!!**

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Legend

Dec-01-13 6:52 PM

NDB: In 40 years? Our Redeemers opened a school. Washington was moved to a newer building at much expense. New high school is under 40 to name some school spending; and while our city growth was near stagnant. N1: it costs much more to maintain a large new school than a "portable".

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 9:47 PM

Legend, you did not pay a dime for Our Redeemers. This is a private school. Not one cent of prop. taxes went to the building of their beautiful school or the up keep. Washington is a nice school but only filled a minor void (as evidenced by the 9 portables and classroom in the neighboring building). We should have voted yes 8 years ago and we would be looking at a much smaller bond issue. As for Magic City Campus, it was opened in 1973 I believe which is 40 years. To vote no, means higher construction costs down the road which will be put on our backs. It will also mean overcrowding in ALL schools. It will also result in students having to go to a less overcrowded school across town than the really overcrowded neighborhood school. It will mean both Ramstad and Jim Hill will have over 900+ students. It means we will have a split campus for h.s. both of which will be overcrowded. It means we will have an entire elementary school in portables. All of these are unacceptable. Vote informed

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citizen24

Dec-01-13 10:54 PM

Concerned. The ward county assessor does not send out your bills nor do they put them together. Auditor does. Now I know how much research you did. I think you should not write anything anymore cuz you hurt our no side.

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subman

Dec-02-13 7:57 AM

ever wonder why the no voters usually have facts and figures backing up their message while the yes voters just rely on it's for the children emotions

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ChasinND

Dec-02-13 8:29 AM

**VOTE NO ON BOTH ITEMS ON DECEMBER 10TH!!**

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Villiayth

Dec-02-13 3:05 PM

Nancy, I'm pretty sure that you are voting yes because you used to be president of the school board...

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Nancy1

Dec-02-13 4:32 PM

I worked on three bond issues prior to this one because of maintenance issues needed throughout the district - one was prior to me being on the school board. When I first was on the school board the roofs were awful on all the buildings. Ramstad, Jim Hill, and Magic City had their original roofs until they were replaced about 6,7 years ago. The roof deck at Jim Hill was rotted in areas. Electrical was behind the times because of the enormous change in technology. The list goes on. We made strides but there is still a lot of maintenance - partly because Minot is one of the very few districts in ND that does not have a building fund - which is what most districts have on hand for maintenance. Maintenance is safety as far as I am concerned. I am voting yes for the same reason I served on school board for 16 years - I believe in public schools as being a crucial part of community. I, also, encourage people to run for school board and volunteer in their schools.

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ChasinND

Dec-02-13 8:18 PM

Vote NO in Minot Dec. 10th.

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concerned

Dec-02-13 8:27 PM

"Concerned. The ward county assessor does not send out your bills nor do they put them together. Auditor does. Now I know how much research you did. I think you should not write anything anymore cuz you hurt our no side."

Whatever, I got the name of the office wrong....so what I did my research and people should do the same...Vote NO...

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Legend

Dec-02-13 8:56 PM

Overdue comment: On the subject of facts; there is much stuck in our craw from past flooding and flood control. The accurate and timely information for the 2011 flood came from one location--Kim Fundingsland and the Minot Dail News. Some other media tried to keep it from the public--as with past flood issues like what we paid canada $42 million for. Trust is an earned virtue.

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Legend

Dec-03-13 12:45 AM

N1: my home is over 40 years old and the electrical looks the same to me as in a new home. What changed other than a need for more outlets to accommodate computers? NDB: Mills are the rate of tax and applied to the value of the property. Minot property is valued higher than Bismarck because the demand from oil and the flood went up at the same time. Minot is in the top 3 cities for sales tax. To these costs and because of oil impact, you must add cost of living. Minot is high as are cities to the west in oil. We may have the highest utilities in the state. I like the thought of nice but modest schools. The problem is our city and county have taken too much of our money already and the supply is limited. Wages for most are far behind the higher costs we are experiencing.

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Larry7

Dec-03-13 8:26 AM

I agree that all the facts should be known. U.S. students ranked 34th in math worldwide, 24th in science and 21st in reading. It takes more than a building to teach a child. It seems that if anything is failing in the U.S. and local educational systems it's the systems themselves. The school boards and managers are failing these children but want to place the blame elsewhere.

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Nancy1

Dec-03-13 3:45 PM

Electrical does look the same - I imagine - but the number of outlets need to be expanded considerably which in turn causes more capacity needed in the breaker or fuse boxes. When the grade schools were all built - exception is new Washington - they had one outlet in each room. Needless to say that is outdated. The newest grade school prior to the new Washington was Lincoln - opened the fall of 1967. The oldest grade school is Roosevelt - opened in 1928.

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tarkin

Dec-03-13 9:20 PM

The schools are on the hotline tonight, begging everyone they call to vote yes for higher taxes.

Seems awful funny how they think everyone, whether they can afford it or not, should pay for everyones kids, not just your own, its your job to pay for all kids, the rest of your life.

These poor kids cant learn without new walls around them, give me a break, whats that say to kids.

In other words, don't strive for better things kids, the government will take care of you, or should I say property owners.

Socialism is a dependency disease!

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NoDakBoy

Dec-03-13 9:51 PM

Tarkin, these kids are going to be taking care of us. The kids aren't asking for "new" walls. Most forward thinking adults realize that these kids will be supporting us in the future. It has been this way for generations. We all pitch in to pay for fire, ambulance, police, roads, schools, etc. whether we ever use them or not. There are not "used" buildings available that will meet the needs of what it takes for a school. Portables pose many safety risks and are meant to be temporary anyway. It is unfortunate the laws aren't different so other money could be accessed more easily. Let's get this passed so construction can begin right away. We can all work together to get legislation changed which is where our property relief could and should come from. Vote yes because the need is there. If you don't agree that a need for buildings is not there, than visit with school officials and listen. The kids are here right now to cause overcrowding and more are coming. Let's w

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