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Know all the facts first

December 1, 2013

Ashlee Swartwout, Minot On Dec. 10, a huge decision for Minot will be made. This is the day when citizens will vote on the bond issue....

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chadk66

Dec-06-13 5:02 AM

And yet Minot has three thousand less students now than in the seventies. very interesting.

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Legend

Dec-05-13 5:52 PM

On the plus side, if we get stuck with more taxes minot will be less desirable and scare people away. I miss the slow moving, uncrowded city i grew up in. That big lutefisk party was the beginning of our demise. we were damaged by business welfare and greed then destroyed by oil.

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Legend

Dec-05-13 5:42 PM

Come to think of it, i attended classes and also taught a class in a portable on the base. A suitable classroom to me--did not give it a second thought.

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MattRothchild

Dec-05-13 2:32 PM

When it comes to knowing all the facts first, someone should bring up how a municipal bond underwriting works. These bonds, if approved, mean big money for Wall Street investment bankers.

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MattRothchild

Dec-05-13 2:27 PM

I remember the portables being used all the way back in the late 1990's. This isn't exactly a recent development...

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Nancy1

Dec-05-13 1:13 PM

Includes all square footage. Go to the administration building and look at the plans.

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Legend

Dec-05-13 11:05 AM

That is very hard to believe for one who has seen both. Does the sf on the new include all heated space and the second floor or just the sf of the perimeter of the building?

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Nancy1

Dec-05-13 10:35 AM

And . of course, it has more classrooms. It will hold 700 students.

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Nancy1

Dec-05-13 10:32 AM

The new Ramstad is 127,000 square feet. The old Ramstad was 101,000 square feet. The new one was built to hold the same number of students that Jim Hill holds currently. I think there are two reasons it looks so huge - it is multiple storied and is surrounded by open areas. The old Ramstad sat low and was surrounded by houses across all the streets. The new Ramstad has a larger library, larger cafeteria, and larger gym which are needed to accommodate more students. Hope that answers your question.

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Legend

Dec-05-13 12:24 AM

My point is the intention was to "replace ramstad". The new one looks bigger than perkett, old ramstad, bell and washington combined. R we to expect the same spending extravagance in the future "to get them out of portables"?

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Legend

Dec-05-13 12:20 AM

N1: Should i expect the answer b4 or after i vote no?

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Legend

Dec-05-13 12:20 AM

N1: Should i expect the answer b4 or after i vote no?

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Nancy1

Dec-04-13 9:12 PM

I would have to find out square footage difference but I know the new Ramstad was built to hold about 250 more students - which would be about what Jim Hill holds. I understand finances are stretched for people - flood - retirement etc but please don't think the extra schools aren't needed. Again, you have to vote your way and I will vote mine.

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Legend

Dec-04-13 6:33 PM

NDB: "These kids" are not expected to prosper like their parents thru no fault of their own. All the more reason to give them books in the black. Raised taxes do not go away.

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Legend

Dec-04-13 4:21 PM

N1: p.s. Did you know any additional taxes will come from my retirement savings? This is not funny to me.

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Legend

Dec-04-13 4:12 PM

N1: Still waiting to hear from u on the sq. footage of old ramstad and the new ramstad. Looks ten times as big as the old. I am asking because i did not see the old ramstad SF on the MPS website; or should i call it a sales pitch? Will the next $128 million also be spent with such extravagance? Tax money is to be spent in a most frugal manner.

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sloughdog

Dec-04-13 1:09 PM

I CANT BELIEVE THERE NOT TELLING US WE WILL LOSE "LOCAL CONTROL" IF YOU DONT VOTE YES.

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Nancy1

Dec-04-13 10:48 AM

I imagine when the old Ramstad and Jim Hill were built people said the same thing - wow over the top. However, schools reflect when they were built. Did you know they reused all of the gym "stuff" like basketball hoops etc that were not hit by water - and saved some of the kitchen equipment and used it. Go to the open house when it is held at Ramstad. It was built as a multiple story so that less foundation and roof was needed. Also, multiple storied buildings need less land and are more efficient to heat. I know you are voting no, but please visit Ramstad - it doesn't look like the old Ramstad, but I don't think you would want a 1958 era building built in 2013.

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Legend

Dec-03-13 10:14 PM

If the new ramstad wasn't "over the top" compared the old ramstad, I might be more willing to listen. It is one extreme to the other to move from a portable to ramstad. It is fancier than the home of any student in attendance. Too grand.

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NoDakBoy

Dec-03-13 9:51 PM

Tarkin, these kids are going to be taking care of us. The kids aren't asking for "new" walls. Most forward thinking adults realize that these kids will be supporting us in the future. It has been this way for generations. We all pitch in to pay for fire, ambulance, police, roads, schools, etc. whether we ever use them or not. There are not "used" buildings available that will meet the needs of what it takes for a school. Portables pose many safety risks and are meant to be temporary anyway. It is unfortunate the laws aren't different so other money could be accessed more easily. Let's get this passed so construction can begin right away. We can all work together to get legislation changed which is where our property relief could and should come from. Vote yes because the need is there. If you don't agree that a need for buildings is not there, than visit with school officials and listen. The kids are here right now to cause overcrowding and more are coming. Let's w

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tarkin

Dec-03-13 9:20 PM

The schools are on the hotline tonight, begging everyone they call to vote yes for higher taxes.

Seems awful funny how they think everyone, whether they can afford it or not, should pay for everyones kids, not just your own, its your job to pay for all kids, the rest of your life.

These poor kids cant learn without new walls around them, give me a break, whats that say to kids.

In other words, don't strive for better things kids, the government will take care of you, or should I say property owners.

Socialism is a dependency disease!

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Nancy1

Dec-03-13 3:45 PM

Electrical does look the same - I imagine - but the number of outlets need to be expanded considerably which in turn causes more capacity needed in the breaker or fuse boxes. When the grade schools were all built - exception is new Washington - they had one outlet in each room. Needless to say that is outdated. The newest grade school prior to the new Washington was Lincoln - opened the fall of 1967. The oldest grade school is Roosevelt - opened in 1928.

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Larry7

Dec-03-13 8:26 AM

I agree that all the facts should be known. U.S. students ranked 34th in math worldwide, 24th in science and 21st in reading. It takes more than a building to teach a child. It seems that if anything is failing in the U.S. and local educational systems it's the systems themselves. The school boards and managers are failing these children but want to place the blame elsewhere.

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Legend

Dec-03-13 12:45 AM

N1: my home is over 40 years old and the electrical looks the same to me as in a new home. What changed other than a need for more outlets to accommodate computers? NDB: Mills are the rate of tax and applied to the value of the property. Minot property is valued higher than Bismarck because the demand from oil and the flood went up at the same time. Minot is in the top 3 cities for sales tax. To these costs and because of oil impact, you must add cost of living. Minot is high as are cities to the west in oil. We may have the highest utilities in the state. I like the thought of nice but modest schools. The problem is our city and county have taken too much of our money already and the supply is limited. Wages for most are far behind the higher costs we are experiencing.

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Legend

Dec-02-13 8:56 PM

Overdue comment: On the subject of facts; there is much stuck in our craw from past flooding and flood control. The accurate and timely information for the 2011 flood came from one location--Kim Fundingsland and the Minot Dail News. Some other media tried to keep it from the public--as with past flood issues like what we paid canada $42 million for. Trust is an earned virtue.

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