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We don’t need more schools

December 1, 2013

Robert Hale, Minot Minot voters are being asked to unnecessarily tax themselves $125 million dollars for school....

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citizen24

Dec-01-13 5:24 AM

I'm voting no but not because of what Mr.Hale says. Oh and for the record, he may live in the Minot school district (not sure) but DOES NOT live in the city limits so is NOT a city resident. He should not be listed as Minot but rather rural Minot.

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 9:58 AM

Mr. Hale, I attended the community forums for this and the reason for the $125 million for four simple reasons. (1) 24 portables currently, we need an elementary school right now! (2) the middle school situation is horrific. There will be over 900 students at both Ramstad and Jim Hill in the very near future. There is not room for these students. (3) One mega high school (with a split campus) is not what our community wants. The chance to eliminate the split campus is now. The proposal to repurpose Central Campus into a middle school and building a high school instead of a middle school was a brilliant move by the school board. It will solve parking issues downtown as well. (4) It is not fun for the community trying to pass a bond issue every other year! People with your mentality have held this community hostage for 40 years with your ideology on taxes. The state has never funded building of schools and look where this has left this community. VOTE YES!

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 10:10 AM

Mr. Hale says the "Average class size is currently 15 - 18." Here is the reality test. (1) Drive by the elementary schools and count the portables. (2) Ask your child how many kids are in their classes. (3) Ask teachers. (4) Visit the school and see for yourself. It is irresponsible to take the total number of classrooms and divide into the number of students to arrive at this conclusion. Each school has Title I rooms, Special Ed rooms, music rooms, etc. Bob Hale's math is again irresponsible and nothing but smoke and mirrors to confuse voters. Shame on you. You know better Bob Hale and your blatant misrepresentation of the facts shows your true agenda and true colors. Vote yes! Tell your neighbors to vote yes! Tell your colleagues to vote yes!

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Nancy1

Dec-01-13 10:21 AM

The "savings account" he speaks of is the interim fund which has been used for some safety and security measures. However, Minot must keep a larger interim fund because of base funding. There were years in the early 90's that funding was held up from the federal government. The district has to be able to cover the costs of educating base students when payments from the feds do not come in a timely fashion. Bob Hale does not live in Minot. His home is in the Burlington district.

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Nancy1

Dec-01-13 10:21 AM

The "savings account" he speaks of is the interim fund which has been used for some safety and security measures. However, Minot must keep a larger interim fund because of base funding. There were years in the early 90's that funding was held up from the federal government. The district has to be able to cover the costs of educating base students when payments from the feds do not come in a timely fashion. Bob Hale does not live in Minot. His home is in the Burlington district.

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 10:22 AM

Bob Hale also mentions Williston's situation for over projections. We are not Williston. Our students are already here! There are over 700+ kindergarten students here in Minot right now! Middle Schools will have over 2000+ students in five years with students currently in Minot. These are actual students currently attending Minot Public Schools. The projections are even higher going with a marginal 3% growth model. Minot's population has went from 35,000 to 50,000 in a short time. I think 3% is a pretty realistic growth factor. We have been warned in this community by oil people 5-8 years ago that this was coming. We have been told to think BIG in our planning. Our community has been negligent in planning for this. Many uneducated community members still believe that this will be over in 5 years. They believe it is just a fad that will pass too...kind of like the horseless carriage, computers, and the internet! Wake up and start being forward thinking, proactive community members.

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ChasinND

Dec-01-13 11:00 AM

**VOTE NO ON BOTH ITEMS ON DECEMBER 10TH!!**

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Cutperfect

Dec-01-13 12:22 PM

I'm not sure where Mr. Hale gets his "facts", but they appear to be far from reality. My daughters' classes are in the 25-27 range and they are in elementary school. I have visited the school and witnessed the overcrowding for myself. I have also attended the informational meetings and looked at what this will mean for their middle school educations in a few years. Jim Hill will be expected to hold almost as many students as Magic City campus did in the 80s and 90s. It is because of these conditions I will be voting yes. I know this is an opinion page, but anything as factually wrong as this letter should be fact checked before being posted.

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 12:36 PM

Bob Hale's perception of reality is built upon a premise of misdirection and inaccuracies. One quote sums it all up: "Seeing is believing, is often explained as, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it. In truth, our minds work in the reverse. An accurate description of human perception is I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't believed it." Bob Hale's beliefs (and many other frequent contributors to this site) prevent them from seeing the reality of issues.

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concerned

Dec-01-13 1:40 PM

I am voting no because of the reality we face even before the vote our property taxes go up almost $1,000 a year...so quit it....

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NoDakBoy

Dec-01-13 3:00 PM

Your property has likely tripled in value. Why wouldn't you expect to pay more in taxes. If you sell, are you going to donate the difference of the purchase price and the sale price to the city? Hardly, the money will go into your pockets. The truth is, residents in Minot have been at the bottom of the 12 largest cities for at least 20 years when it comes to paying property taxes. This has come at the expense of our schools which have not had a new one built for 40 years.

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ChasinND

Dec-01-13 3:46 PM

**VOTE NO ON BOTH ITEMS ON DECEMBER 10TH!!**

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SayWhat

Dec-01-13 3:53 PM

"Williston learned their projected 1,200 student boom turned out to be 200 students" uhmmmm this is a false statement. While Williston did not have 1,200 new students show up in the 2011 school enrollment, they did have nearly 400. The number of new students in the Williston school district since their failed school construction vote, now exceeds 800 new students.

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jcalavera

Dec-01-13 6:09 PM

The author of this letter has a long history of trying to abolish property taxes. He seems to think that money for funding services now paid for by property taxes will magically appear. His battle cry is make the state pay for it. He is apparently not aware that the state is currently run by the same type of shortsighted people that he seems to be. The state is not going to pay for anything. It does not matter what amount of surplus they have. They are not going to use that money to benefit anyone in ND.

We need new schools and to update our current schools. Vote yes on Dec. 10th.

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Legend

Dec-01-13 6:44 PM

There is nothing "magic" about it. The state has the money for this purpose. It is folly to say minot property taxes are low. yes values are up but the only way to gain is to sell. In the meantime our taxes are very high from those taxes. Per the city manager we have the highest utilities in the state. Add we are in the top 3 for sales tax. Add our cost of living has gone nuts; $30 tire patch, plumbers, heating work, electricians, carpenters are mostly out of reach for many homeowners. Example from "letters" : after two quotes from locals to stub off basement water/sewer to repair flood damage at $2,500, a plumber from out of town did it for $250. One local said it was a few hours work. "held this community hostage with tax idealogy". How did we end up with such high taxes. MADC, hostefest, state fair are but a few of the reasons our schools were ignored and our taxes are so high. No one is perfect but Bob Hale is a decent man.

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ConcernedGrandparent

Dec-01-13 7:28 PM

Mr Hale lives in the Burlington District, and is known for stirring the pot with information that is questionable at best. Mr Hale needs to go fight a battle somewhere else. The district has shown the facts. Anyone can call the district and get them. Ask Mr Hale and Mr Tuttle to back up there information with creditable data. Not spread sheets Mr Hale has created himself. Make sure the data is comparing apples to apples not apples to oranges. I also keep hearing Sale Tax. Read 57-39.2-26.1 of the ND Century code that shows you that sales tax can no longer be used for school districts. This would take changing the state law. As far as the Land Trust money, it would take changes in state and federal money. VOTE YES Dec 10th.

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Villiayth

Dec-01-13 10:44 PM

Does it really matter where Mr. Hale lives? I am sure that those who think the bond should pass, would not say anything against the location of someone who was speaking out in favor of the bond. I agree with Mr. Hale on what he has written. He is one of the few that is looking out for the best interests of those in this city. The promoters are trying to cram propaganda based on made up numbers, where as a lot of the no voters are doing the actual research instead of behaving like a bunch of sheep.

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MinotBorn

Dec-01-13 11:02 PM

Where does Mr. Hale come up with his facts?

Last spring all residents of the Minot Public School District were invited to participate in forums. Hundreds of people participated. At no time was there ever serious consideration given to any solution that would only require $32 million.

Where was Mr. Hale during these community meetings?

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ndgirl40

Dec-01-13 11:48 PM

Looks like Bob better do a little more research. Classes of 15-18? Where? Does Bob think we're the only city that's heard of the Land Trust? Undoubtedly, we are not. If that money were so easy to access for building schools, wouldn't every school district in the state be after it? Voting NO will change nothing... We'll have a gaping wound that will still need fixing, building costs will be higher, Legend will still be crying about the "entertainment fat cats" from 30 years ago, and Bob Hale will still be trying to sue everyone. It's time to be positive and proactive. Vote yes.

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MarkHighwater

Dec-02-13 3:52 AM

Vote early and vote often folks....NO,NO...BH is correct this is a HUGE marketing campaign paid for with our tax dollars...these funds need to come from Dalrymple and company...NOT the already ready oil boom/flood burdened local yocals.

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MarkHighwater

Dec-02-13 4:03 AM

If you have noticed the town has exploded with new high end dwellings and apartments...are these residents getting some kind of property tax waiver/exemption?....by the looks of it,the city should be swimming in revenue IF these new/old residents are paying their fair share.

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subman

Dec-02-13 7:56 AM

ever wonder why the no voters usually have facts and figures backing up their message while the yes voters just rely on it's for the children emotions

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ChasinND

Dec-02-13 8:26 AM

**VOTE NO ON BOTH ITEMS ON DECEMBER 10TH!!**

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Legend

Dec-02-13 9:25 AM

Bob Hale lives in Ward County WHERE we pay our taxes. C,mon N1, that was cheap. I will vote NO because Ward CO. (including minot) spending is nuts and getting worse. Bob hale has written some of the most intelligent, informative and civic minded letters to the MDN over the years. He is a darn side more accurate and honest than most of our city Gov't. Vote No.

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MarkHighwater

Dec-02-13 11:23 AM

And think of the timing of this well orchestrated marketing campaign paid for by the taxpayers...the vote happens 2 weeks BEFORE we receive our annual tax liability statements...like they say "timing is everything"...we will see what Mr.Dalrymple calls a significant reduction in our taxes just prior to Christmas....of course if this vote becomes law before we find that out,it's too late obviously.

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