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It's time to pull the plug

November 9, 2013

Millions of Americans already have received notices that, because of Obamacare, the health insurance policies they have will not be renewed....

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locomotive

Nov-18-13 10:48 AM

ndvetrn, I'm shocked, shocked to see that c/p of yours about Craig Cobb.

Since I can't find the original, I'm guessing it was one of PJinfinity's innumerable bitter posts which got bumped.

Trolls live under bridges, don't they?

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ndvetrn

Nov-16-13 11:51 PM

Craig Cobb has to move out of his own Republican supremacist enclave. The king of ND's Neanderthals was given the results of a DNA test. Cobb is 14% Sub-Saharan African.

This statement is evidence of your ignorance. For you to suggest that any political interest support supremacy over anyone is ludicrous. King of N.D. Neanderthals, are you kidding me? You sound like willygarr/canook.

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angeR69

Nov-16-13 1:28 AM

"but where's the deception if that is the belief?"

That's the point. I don't think it is his belief. He's a smart guy - an economist and professor. It is my opinion that he fully understands the difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. Yet when he speaks about his philosophy, it seems to me that he interjects the concept of equality before the law seamlessly and intentionally as if to disguise and legitimize his Marxist ideology. And what better way is there to accomplish this than to blend that ideology in with a traditionally accepted value system? Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but if that's the case, I have seriously misjudged his intellect.

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locomotive

Nov-15-13 7:44 PM

"And, "I would suggest he (Robert Reich) does this intentionally to mislead the malleable minds of less intelligent among us." statement???

"This is the very basis of the evolved Tea Party base we have today..."

Reminds me of "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say, bounces off me and sticks to you."

No Democrat could ever be termed less-than-intelligent, while it's always ok to imply Tea Party folks are stupid. Why? Just because.

Here's some more Fodder for Thinkers:

learnliberty . org/playlists/debate-robert-reich-truth-about-economy

No, I haven't listened to this, but the two debating are Robert Reich and Don Boudreaux. When the debate's done, you can "like" whoever did the better job in his presentation.

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angeR69

Nov-15-13 1:00 AM

Veritas, I did read the article, and I can honestly say, it didn't impress me.

I've also watched a few videos in which he describes his political philosophy, and it seems a little preoccupied with equality. As with most left-leaning academics, he also conflates his concept of equality (equality of outcome) with equality of opportunity, and I would suggest he does this intentionally to mislead the malleable minds of less intelligent among us. Regardless of intent to deceive, it is clear that he values equality above everything else, including freedom. In my opinion, this makes him the very definition of a Marxist.

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locomotive

Nov-14-13 9:33 AM

With crony capitalism alive and well, the present administration is just as guilty of "cropola...use(d) to get their hands on our tax money...For themselves!"

As far as my "looking for an apology," I already know that none will be forthcoming. Not rocket science. Plus, no worries here.

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angeR69

Nov-13-13 11:34 PM

"There's so much cropola running around DC since 1962 it's almost impossible to put your finger on it...This cropola ownership isn't exclusive to a single party but rather this "free market capitalism" you're so adament about..."

I honestly do not know how to answer this. The free market isn't complex. It isn't mysterious. It consists of people like you and me. But it can only exist when we are free to make decisions and engage one another at will, voluntarily, in a mutually beneficial way, or not at all. Government plays a role, but it should be a very limited role: to set up that civil framework by which you and I can make these choices. Otherwise we have anarchy - we have me imposing my choices upon you, by force or by any other means. Government becomes oppressive when it grows beyond that civil role. Government becomes oppressive when it uses it's authority to impose my will upon you.

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locomotive

Nov-13-13 1:18 PM

Nov-13-13 10:48 AM

Excellent, angeR.

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locomotive

Nov-13-13 1:17 PM

Individual liberty? To some progressive liberals, there ain't no such thing possible or necessary. What would the ignorant masses do with such a thing? Fritter it away?

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angeR69

Nov-13-13 10:48 AM

So how many times do we have to concede Bush's role in all this and admit his big spending ways, before you acknowledge any responsibility for Obama and both houses of congress that pushed this monstrosity through? I'll remind you that both houses were controlled by Democrats when the ACA was passed. I'll also remind you that Bush had plenty of help on his spending from a Democratically controlled Congress. That notwithstanding, Bush was a big spender. So let's correct it by pushing through a massive new entitlement program. One more thing that I should remind you - massive new entitlements always start off with considerably lower cost projections than the outlays they generate over the next 20, 40, 60 or 80 years.

But forget the crushing debt this monstrosity will generate. When government takes over control of a 6th of the economy, what impact does that have on individual liberty?

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locomotive

Nov-13-13 10:02 AM

Perhaps, and I'm saying perhaps, there always have been some in the churning masses who have been concerned about this debt thingy.

No, really. Isn't it a little disconcerting that Veritas is calling a recognition of our country's colossal debt a "recent" development?

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angeR69

Nov-13-13 1:30 AM

"Where was all that angeR back then?...Or is this why we have the renaissance today of those fiscally motivated folks finally showing up?"

I see then. It's still Bush's fault. At least, you're consistent.

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angeR69

Nov-13-13 1:17 AM

"What I do know, because it is a historical fact, is that between 2004 and 2010 health care went from 11% of ones gross income to almost 24%"

I'm not sure where you dug up this "historical fact", but it must be buried pretty deep. Care to unearth it for us? You're proclivity for dredging up these jaw-dropping statistics far exceeds my ability and/or patience. I've seen some stats from the Kaiser foundation, but nothing like what you're reporting.

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angeR69

Nov-13-13 12:13 AM

Chad, don't be so naive. The insurance companies, at least those named by Veritas, spent hundreds of millions lobbying for 'bamacare. They expect a return on their investment, and I have no doubt they'll get it. It's called cronyism, and it's alive and well in the United States of Obama. The ACA will produce a few winners and a lot of losers. They will be among the winners. We will be among the casualties.

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locomotive

Nov-12-13 10:40 PM

namexxx Nov-12-13 3:28 PM

"pathetic ridiculousness"

Interesting phrase.

Prove what you say I am, namexxx.

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chadk66

Nov-12-13 5:50 PM

angeR69, you obviously don't understand the insurance companies have to be in business to make money. In five years they aren't going to be in business if obamacare continues. that was the plan from the very start, to eliminate the competition. so far so good, just as planned.

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chadk66

Nov-12-13 5:48 PM

NoTea4Me, I'd bet you buy those "foreign made" goods at Walmart just like everybody else. And I did go through cancer this past summer. And my insurance worked exactly as it was intended to do. It's crazy how that works. And I got to choose my doctor and where I got treated. But that's sure to change.

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ovomitlied

Nov-12-13 4:21 PM

And Vertias returns with another slam.. No facts just BS from the left..

Where is the people who are defending Ovomit and saying its a good thing all these people are losing their insurance..

Come on guys you voted for this so at least have the guts to back up your votes..

No guts no glory.. Isnt that how it goes boys..

Where is your guts when it comes to Obamacare?????

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namexxx

Nov-12-13 3:28 PM

What does this post have to do with this topic?

It points out the pathetic ridiculousness of your racism.

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locomotive

Nov-12-13 9:47 AM

"Craig Cobb has to move out of his own Republican supremacist enclave. The king of ND's Neanderthals was given the results of a DNA test. Cobb is 14% Sub-Saharan African."

What does this post have to do with this topic?

Answer: it exists so PJinfinity could again use his all-time, most favorite word about NoDaks.

No, no, not Republican supremacist.

"Neanderthals"

He is just a wonderful ray of sunshine, that guy...

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angeR69

Nov-12-13 12:54 AM

"One only has to look at the balance sheet for companies like United Health Care, Aetna & Blue Cross/Shield...Billions in quarterly profits with CEO's receiving 100 Million stock options...Really!"

Do me a favor, Veritas. Check those balance sheets again in about 5 years. You think those corporations and their CEOs are making money now? Wait until the ACA kicks in fully. These corporations are set to clean up! Limited competition, a MANDATORY increase in their customer base, and tens of billions in taxpayer subsidies. Don't take my word for it, though. Just take another peak at those balance sheets. Oh, yeah. Now that is how you take it to the man.

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angeR69

Nov-11-13 11:38 PM

Thanks for your service NDVet. Thank your family for me too.

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ndvetrn

Nov-11-13 10:02 PM

I hope everyone had an exceptional Veterans Day. I did, I spent time with my nephew that just returned from Afghanistan. It's been over 35 years since I was released from active duty. I never knew that some restaurants gave free meals to veterans. I thank them for that, specifically Texas Roadhouse.

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angeR69

Nov-11-13 9:37 PM

No tea. So that was it? You're backing up your baseless accusations .... with more baseless accusations?

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ovomitlied

Nov-11-13 9:10 PM

The Prez and his healthcare and his credibilty are all going down the drain..

Slavery will not be tolerated in America.. Obama is trying to make us all slaves to the Government..

Glad to see it failing all the way around..

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