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Respecting property rights

October 4, 2013

We fully understand the ongoing frustration in Minot regarding apparently abandoned flood-damaged home....

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FresnoJoe

Oct-04-13 5:38 AM

Amen~!

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TXMomof3

Oct-04-13 6:29 AM

Two years and some of these homes haven't even been gutted and sanitized? Enough is enough. If I could gut my house and carry out debris a wheelbarrow at a time, so could they. Not to mention,several groups donated their services to do so. It's unfair to people like us who have worked so hard.

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rickrod

Oct-04-13 7:34 AM

hog wash MDN these people have had over 2 years to do something. IT is TIME to take action. I just wonder if part of the problem is that banks own these homes, and the City doesn't want to make there rich friends mad.

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muleskinner

Oct-04-13 8:06 AM

The dams in Canada we're supposed to remain dry to provide flood protection in years of high precipitation. The homeowners are not to blame for the mess. TheCity of Minot and the provincial gov of Saskatchewan are liable and remain liable and still can be sued.

An owner of a flooded house in Minot has every right to sue both Minot and Saskatchewan.

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disgusted

Oct-04-13 8:54 AM

Rick touched on something. Banks, many of them are out of state banks, own homes. Why the banks are hanging onto them is beyond me, but I know of at least 6 such instances. Others? I don't know. Define secure. Doors locked? How about basement windows that are open? Leaking roofs? Sagging garage? I must say the city is looking better this fall than it has since the flood.

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73Hockey

Oct-04-13 9:56 AM

While the homeowners maybe are not to blame for the mess "originally" it is theirs now as it has been TWO YEARS. So if they should sue Minot and Saskatchewan, can I sue them for the safety and health hazard in my neighborhood? How about the unsightly mess that has had nothing done to it in two years that is now affecting the sale of my refurbished home? I mean if we are going to sue people, let's sue people right mule?

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rickrod

Oct-04-13 11:39 AM

Homes owned by banks also should get 30 notice, and the banks either rebuild them or tear down within 30 days. End of story.

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KayeMB

Oct-04-13 12:18 PM

I agree about following things legally most certainly. There are a couple homes we pass by daily going to various places and one has not been touched--not gutted, sanitized, etc. I am not sure if the bank now owns it or if a family does or what but I have to wonder about sanitary conditions. What about homeowners in that area when/if the home is demolished--thinking about mold spores going all over the places. And I agree about if it's bank owned--30 days is good enough. Definitely agree about two years being long enough. The day we could get back in we had someone in there gutting...

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Legend

Oct-04-13 3:06 PM

I have the utmost sympathy for flood victims because they were lied to. O ur mayor was too busy with hostefest and sold us a flood. Not all victims had the physical strength or money to rebuild. The city should have organized volunteers to get a proxy for each home--to help with their paperwork and rebuilding as needed. That might have resulted in most vacant houses getting sanitized. If I had a problem house in my hood i would have mowed the weeds and carried the debris to the curb--1 piece each garbage day until it was gone. The city said they were done with the debris pick up at a point but i am sure they would take one piece at a time. One reason we flooded is we did not make a floodway and remove all of the dead loops. Those dead loops can be just as filthy, including rats, mice and etc., as a flooded home. The Oak Park loop had a sewage spill in it several weeks b4 2011.The planned floodway must be our priority--no event center, bubble or MADC.

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muleskinner

Oct-04-13 4:33 PM

The citizens of Minot agreed to raise the money to build the dry dams. They are the rightful owners because they paid the money to build them.

The dams are their property, maybe only in spirit, but the fact is the people of Minot paid for them.

The breech of the agreement allows them the right to sue for damages.

The City of Minot and the Province of Saskatchewan can pony up money to help those who were devastated by the flood. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

A class action lawsuit should be filed. No lawyers' fees, all pro bono.

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Legend

Oct-04-13 5:00 PM

hey skinner: we did not pay all of it; just $41 million or so. In 2011 we learned the terms which were canada would never release more than 5,000 cf?. in 2011 the sent 24 to 26 cf? don't know if it is per second or minute. the question is was the rain event which they said caused the flood an extremely uncommon event or should they have been prepared for it? They say 6" of rain came, however , i read a report that said it was 2". We expected the flood protection for the life of the dams--50 to 100 years. i think they should have expected such a rain event in the life of the dams. add that it was common knowledge the ground was saturated and would not hold much rain. Canadians have said they should have expected trouble from rain. the dams were too full to protect us and are too full today. one or more is a hydro producer which need stored water to run--therein lies the problem. someone here knew that in 1985 when we voted--we were told "dry dams". we voted for &qu

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Legend

Oct-04-13 5:06 PM

we voted for "flood control dams in Canada". we were sent about 5 times the water we agreed to.

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disgusted

Oct-04-13 6:24 PM

Legend, exactly what was our mayor doing for the Hostfest in June? I agree with you when you say we were not informed, that our city, state and federal government had ignored the flood valley for years. FEMA has become an environmental 'save the fish' entity, not an entity for flood protection. Anyone remember Ruyak? He was awesome. They don't make 'em like that anymore.

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Legend

Oct-04-13 6:59 PM

who said june? in the mid 70's our city was planning future flood protection. 69 was a flood--the 70's saw 2 or 3 years of high water, especially 76. at the same time hostefest was started with the all seasons arena--a building voted down by public vote. we should have put every ounce of effort into flood protection, not pet projects. move up to 2011--hostefest is running strong and minot is flooded. notice the arena bldg. was diked to keep out flood water? There were those who warned of a major flood but some scoffed at that.

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Legend

Oct-04-13 9:28 PM

Disgusted: you and i have a different meaning for "awesome". show me one person who listened to the experts on flood potential and used their influence to prevent the 2011 flood and i will show u awesome. experts said we could flood from the gasmann coulee alone (comes out under the rr trestle west of town). the flood water was in the channel under the west bypass. all we need is a channel like that all the way through minot.

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disgusted

Oct-04-13 11:29 PM

I like how you rewrite history. Ruyak headed the Corp, cut about 17 miles of loops out of the river, built and cleaned the river banks and in the late 70's the high water did not breach the leevees. Fast forward to the last 15 years when no one was caring for the leevees, FEMA/CORP became environmentalists, no one was monitoring any of the water levels, the CORP STOPPED building up the d i k e s instead of continuing working and we have a mess. Now, I agree, our city is known for pushing through whatever they want even though we vote it down. WE, the citizens of Minot did nothing to prevent flooding during the past 20 years. and yes, Ruyak was awesome. Took the bull by the horns, made huge changes, and if he would have been in charge in 2011 or before, I doubt we would have had the flood.

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Victory

Oct-05-13 10:49 PM

My job has allowed me to enter and inspect at least 20 of those abandon home all across the flooded valley. The homes are in foreclosure. Many have not been touched. Many still have furniture and belongings in them. The interiors are covered with mud and mold. People of the Valley were told that we had flood control. they were told by authorities they did not need flood insurance! They were told that a flood like the one in 69 could never happen again! 4000 homes were damaged and only 375 had flood insurance because of this. I personally received a letter from my Mortgagee Company around 1995 that my home was no longer in the flood plain and I was no longer required to carry flood insurance. Well I had 9feet of water at my house. I have now told my kids to buy their homes on high ground and not to put your trust into people of authority, because they really don't know what they are doing either.

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