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Government powers down; trading blame in capital

October 1, 2013

WASHINGTON (AP) — The National Institutes of Health began turning away patients for experimental treatment, and rugged Yellowstone National Park was closed to visitors as the vast machinery of......

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locomotive

Oct-02-13 7:22 PM

"...with the president of the senate majority leader."

Ooops....with the president OR the senate majority leader

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locomotive

Oct-02-13 6:54 PM

The "stupid" thingy again? Please...

There are people calling their congressmen or senators, telling them exactly what they think about obamacare, the gov't shutdown, and/or the debt ceiling, and they're not all agreeing with the president of the senate majority leader.

I really, really hope the Democrats in office tell all their constituents they are "stupid" if they disagree with what the Democrats are doing.

BTW, billgitmo: are you one of the George Soros posters?

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locomotive

Oct-02-13 3:14 PM

"The government is closed because of the irrationality of what's going on on the other side of the Capitol," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

So it comes down to the opinion of two men: Pres. Barack Obama and Sen. Harry Reid.

GREAT bipartanship, gentlemen. Just GREAT.

Here's an interesting choice: what should you be, a "Ted Cruz" lemming or a Harry Reid toadie?

Really? Sen. Harry Reid speaks for ALL you Democrats? The "reasonable" moderate bipartisan Democrats? Or did I misspeak when I said "bipartisan Democrats?"

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 5:33 PM

Disagreement was over the individual mandate and rightly so, I think.

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 5:31 PM

"By deliberately drawing on bipartisan ideas—the same basic outline was supported by former Senate majority leaders Howard Baker, Bob Dole, Tom Daschle and George J. Mitchell—the bill's drafters hoped to increase the chances of getting the necessary votes for passage.

"However, following the adoption of an individual mandate as a central component of the proposed reforms by Democrats, Republicans began to oppose the mandate and threaten to filibuster any bills that contained it."

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 5:30 PM

It started out "bipartisan" and here is the turning point, according to wiki history...

With universal healthcare as one of the stated goals of the Obama administration, congressional Democrats and health policy experts like Jonathan Gruber and David Cutler argued that guaranteed issue would require both a community rating and an individual mandate to prevent either adverse selection and/or free riding from creating an insurance death spiral...they convinced Obama that this was necessary, persuading him to accept congressional proposals including a mandate. This approach was preferred because the President and congressional leaders concluded that more liberal plans such as Medicare for All, could not win filibuster-proof support in the Senate..."

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 5:26 PM

"Legislative History"

Introduced in the House as the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" (H.R. 3590) by Charles Rangel (D–NY) on September 17, 2009 Committee consideration by: Ways and Means Passed the House on October 8, 2009 (416–0) Passed the Senate as the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" on December 24, 2009 (60–39) with amendment House agreed to Senate amendment on March 21, 2010 (219–212) Signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010

More history at wiki, but find another source to suit yourselves if you think wiki stinks...

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 5:01 PM

"Well when they made a law behind closed doors that included 132 GOP amendments it doesn't seem like it was behind closed doors now does it?"

"technical rather than substantive" amendments by Republicans

So after all the amending, adding to and subtracting from, put in this, clarify that, the ACA itself was passed by a Democrat majority in the House and by a Democrat majority in the Senate and signed by a Democrat president. It was what the Democrats agreed to, because "we have to DO SOMETHING!!

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Missy1

Oct-01-13 4:06 PM

Michael Connelly Retired attorney Constitutional Law Instructor read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200. He explains some pretty important "facts" about this Heath care.

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disgusted

Oct-01-13 2:37 PM

will garr, please list for all of us the 132 GPO amendments that were in the bill that was passed. Thank you

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Missy1

Oct-01-13 1:23 PM

Obama's communications director, Palmieri, says "What we not going to do is entertain those kinds of solutions, when there is a gun pointed to your head". Well when they made a law behind closed doors, and forced business to lay off or shorten hours for employees or they were going to send the IRS out to enforce it, they pointed a gun at the American People. I say tough.

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keyzgirl62

Oct-01-13 1:06 PM

Interested party...There are all kinds of civilian employees of the government that are fuloughed until further notice. How are they going to pay their bills? This is horrible!

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InterestedParty

Oct-01-13 12:44 PM

What do you know! The sun still rose, everything looks normal, and the world didn't come to an end. I'd say keep the government closed. Who needs it??

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