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Taking away our rights

September 29, 2013

Steven Barron, Minot My wife and I relocated from Washington State and have been trying to get established in our new community....

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Missy1

Oct-05-13 9:11 PM

Since Obama has given me and option to keep my own insurance and doctor. That's what I am doing.

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locomotive

Oct-03-13 9:21 AM

angeR, to some blues, more spending by our government equals more "rights" for them. Back in the day, it was called "bringing home the bacon" or "pork barrel spending." Now it's virtuous or something...

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angeR69

Oct-03-13 12:44 AM

Legend, as I suspected might happen, you completely missed the point. It's not all about the spending.

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angeR69

Oct-03-13 12:34 AM

"My question is why do reds refuse any cuts to defense?"

So now we're just referred to as the "reds"? Kind of ironic, don't ya think?

The fact is defense is only 20 percent of the federal budget. It should be 80 percent, and that's not to say we need to quadruple our defense budget. It means that most of what comprises today's federal budget doesn't belong there.

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locomotive

Oct-02-13 2:59 PM

angeR, I agree with your expanded points. Wish I had said them.

:-)

DustOff, I liked your posts too, especially about Apple.

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locomotive

Oct-02-13 2:31 PM

Legend, I can say that 52.0% of people disapprove of Obamacare according to an average of seven polls (investors . com), but I don't know where your percentage comes from, nor could I find it doing a cursory google search.

Oh well. If it's just an opinion, who cares?

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locomotive

Oct-02-13 2:11 PM

Veritas, I couldn't even begin to tell of all your "rumor thingies" that you dress up to appear as facts. I remember something about a party you went to, you polled the attendees, and then "cited" your results. Sure...

I heard, via real people telling their stories, that certain BC/BS policy holders received a letter telling them that their premium rates were going up. Substantially. In spite of high deductibles.

Now that I've said it, it's hearsay. But it's compelling hearsay, that's the difference.

:-)

So who's going to benefit from that? Insurance companies? Government? Not quite sure that the policy holders will be "benefitting" much, if they like their present insurance and want to keep it.

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angeR69

Oct-02-13 2:21 AM

When government expands, liberty is diminished.

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angeR69

Oct-02-13 2:15 AM

Corporations are frequently demonized, especially by the left, because they often have accesses to immense wealth and resources. Some are accused, and rightly so, of buying influence among elected officials in our government bodies. Nobody can deny that this happens. The fallacy of the left is that these corporations have too much money, and that they use that money to buy favors from corrupt politicians who then enact laws that step on "the little guy." Therefore we must use the power of government to place limitations on wealth and the ease of its acquisition. It's not fair that some people have so much and others so little. It's not fair that the wealthy can buy power in government. You'll never hear from the left that limitations should be placed on government. That would be utter sacrilege in the leftist religion. Government must constantly expand! That is the very definition of progress on the left.

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angeR69

Oct-02-13 2:14 AM

By itself, a corporation has no power to take anything away from you. You are free to engage, or not to engage in business with a corporation as you see fit. Government, on the other hand, is always based on the threat of the use of force. This is not to say that we don't need government. We certainly do not want anarchy. What we do want is a safe, predictable environment in which to live and conduct our daily business. This kind of civil environment can only be established by a governing body (or bodies) that assumes authority, sets the rules by which we all must live, and enforces those rules. No matter how benevelently government is set up, it's authority is ALWAYS backed up by the use of force.

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angeR69

Oct-02-13 2:13 AM

"It is naive for citizens to believe that their federal gov't can do no ill and has only their best interests at heart. Governments are made up of people, similar to corporations. Human beings are fallible."

Great, point Loco. I hope you don't mind if I expand upon it a little.

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 4:44 PM

Get out of the bubble, Legend, and start talking with some citizens who have NOT had the best of experiences with their federal gov't. Their tales will balance out the sweetness and light you're peddling.

Governments are powered by people who are fallible and subject to ideology, whimsy, the smell of success, even the opportunity to exercise raw power over individuals (Lois Lerner is my choice for this last one, unless I'm proven wrong.)

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 4:39 PM

"You are saying you would put the new lemon car in the junkpile and buy a new one? You would pay the bill when someone stole your number and used your card?"

Because I disagreed with the notion that the federal gov't is the cure for all ills, now I'm some rich fat cat throwing cars and credit cards around like confetti?

I'll say this one more time....s l o w l y.

It is naive for citizens to believe that their federal gov't can do no ill and has only their best interests at heart. Governments are made up of people, similar to corporations. Human beings are fallible. Some humans are drawn to power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Follow me on this. If some corporations' actions are deplorable, it's because the PEOPLE making up the corporations did the deplorable actions. And if some government's actions are commendable and/or deplorable, it's the PEOPLE making up the gov't that can be held responsible for both actions.

cont...

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locomotive

Oct-01-13 4:31 PM

Legend Oct-01-13 1:47 PM

"Any tea party member who does not go with the tea party line will be out of any chance in the primaries. They were bought by hoity toity red supporters and are dancing to their sugar daddy drummer. Most important to note in this is not not they are willing to severally damage business and the Fed for their support of the rich idealogy--it is that democrats do not behave this way no matter who paid for their election."

Fanciful, but not particularly factual.

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angeR69

Oct-01-13 1:37 AM

"The racists (republicans) are only concerned about their own bottom line."

Hey Kolob, it's good to see you haven't given up on demonizing the other side. It takes a lot of courage to consistently display your ignorance. You should be commended.

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angeR69

Oct-01-13 1:29 AM

"Americans believe that the debt ceiling shouldn't be held hostage by the Republicans in order to fulfill their wish lists that they couldn't win elections to enact."

I love the language. HELD HOSTAGE. It's so... dramatic.

There's going to be a government shutdown. OH MY GOD! How are we going to survive? Hey Willy, did you know the government shuts down every weekend? And yet we survive to see Monday morning. How is this possible?

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angeR69

Oct-01-13 1:15 AM

"ACA holds the promise of reducing medical costs long term."

And you buy this, with nearly 50 years of evidence to the contrary? How exactly do you think we got to this point?

Medicare. Medicaid. Fifty years of the federal government tinkering with the tax code to incentivize employer-based health coverage, so that we, the end users of health services rarely see any direct cost relationship to the services we use.

You think costs are high now? You ain't seen nothing yet.

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locomotive

Sep-30-13 9:44 PM

Legend Sep-30-13 7:18 PM

This post just about earns a Chicken Little aka "the sky is falling" award.

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WorriedAmerican

Sep-30-13 10:54 AM

Mr. Baron moved to a "Blue State"!

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subman

Sep-30-13 8:37 AM

if Canada has such great health care why do those who can afford it come here for treatment? Answer.. they're on a waiting list for treatment on which they can die before their turn comes up.

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freefisher

Sep-29-13 9:05 PM

Whistler: Sounds like you're talking about the comments appearing here.

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subman

Sep-29-13 8:06 PM

so you don't mind loosing your full time job with benifits so your employeer can get under the limit of employees to not get penalized and you don't mind the IRS having real time access to your banking accounts? Didn't think so.

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disgusted

Sep-29-13 6:13 PM

Obamacare is a federal program, but what many Americans don't know is that costs will remain different from state to state. In fact, a new report from the Department of Health and Human Services shows some huge differences in premium costs depending on where you live.

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centerfield

Sep-29-13 5:42 PM

"CAUTION You are about to enter a zone unlike no other; where lies and distortions exist and the truth doesn’t matter. Honest debate will be attacked viciously as you proceed down this road filled with land mines." Whistler---- an accurate description of the Republican Party.

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disgusted

Sep-29-13 11:55 AM

Legend, you do know that since about 1965 the federal government has set the prices for health care. That is why we are where we are today. Hospitals, doctors, medical supply companies are all scrambling to stay alive under the mandates set forth from DC.

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