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Checking Obamacare 'navigators'

September 24, 2013

Worrying about whether Americans seeking advice about the national health care law will fall victims to identity theft seems to have been an afterthought for President Barack Obama....

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Sep-24-13 9:32 AM

Just another bogus delay tactic from the ACA haters.

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Sep-24-13 10:56 AM

Not surprising.

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Sep-24-13 11:55 AM

Hmm; the navigators would be private sector folks--are you paying attention Santorum? The MDN says the private sector may screw up privacy in Obamacare. Time to change the editorial heading to Obama bash don't you think? It is hard to throw mud at someone without getting some on yourself. Do the current ins. companies, doctors and hospitals get background checks? Blame the private sector failures on Obamacare. Hate is blind.

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Sep-24-13 6:26 PM

bdgi, I try to find sources that correspond with posts, because that's my thing. Then, if I choose to, I cite sources I find, to either debunk or confirm the original posts.

I like to "trust, but verify" and that's why I look up things, when I'm curious or I have the time. That means any post.

In the past, I've asked others to cite their sources, but it's been up to the original poster whether they've wanted to or not.

For example, willgrr's told me many times that he won't cite a source for his posts, unless I asked folks from the other side of the aisle to do so as well.

So I just look things up myself - way easier. "Do-it-yourself" has many merits.

Plus, the Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863. Slavery's been outlawed for a very long time.

P.S. Guess what? I just looked up EP all by myself, because I had a need to know.

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Sep-24-13 9:56 PM

USA Today 9-24-13

"On President Obama consciously dropping gs off the ends of words to sound like Joe Average: "First of all, we know it ain't because of his blackness, so I say stop trying to 'relate.' Be a leader. Be (effing) presidential. Look, I grew up in a society where I could say 'It ain't' or 'What it be' to my friends. But when I'm out presenting myself to the world as me, who graduated from college, who had family what cared about me, who has a well-read background, I (effing) conjugate."

And that, folks, is citing a source.

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Sep-24-13 10:11 PM

Today's Vocabulary


(Informal) a person who habitually uses foul language

"Shove it"

Urban dictionary said this phrase is shorter than the original, but both mean:

An insult that is used to show disinterest, or frustration. To dismiss a wrongful statement or action.

That's it for Today's Vocabulary.

I think I'll go wash my eyes now...

Thanks, guys, and have a great evening!

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Sep-24-13 10:13 PM

DustOff, I have never purchased Playboy, even to read the articles.


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Sep-25-13 9:52 AM

"Congratulations loco, now if you could get your boyfriend BDGI to give one I'd faint."

#1 I have one boyfriend, my husband, and I say one is plenty.

#2 Didn't you read a post of mine somewhere that said citing sources is my thing, and that I couldn't even get you to cite one without your placing conditions on the request?

#3 I'll cite sources when I want to. I obviously can't encourage anyone else to do it if they don't want to. People are just way too independent around here, aren't they?

You seem to be safe from fainting if you were worried, willgrr.

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Sep-25-13 9:57 AM

DustOff, just for you, I looked up "potty mouth" at Urban Dictionary. Yes, they did cite examples (my eyes), but there was one definition I could print here...

Someone who can't utter a sentence without the excessive use of swearwords. Not attractive.

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Sep-25-13 1:52 PM

I prefer not to call Obamacare's individual mandate a "mandate" to purchase something.

I prefer to call Obamacare what the Supreme Court found it to be...a TAX that Congress has the right to levy.

I think everyone should call it a TAX and the Democrats should embrace the fact that only they passed this unpopular TAX.

You can't call it "insurance" and force people to buy it, when it's more properly a "tax."

Why is the administration running from full implementation?

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Sep-25-13 6:10 PM

Of course you want everyone on this plan willgarr. Otherwise it doesn't work. Where is your source for for 25000.00 / 75.00 Bronze plan. I gave you my source for if you want to keep your plan, you'll have to pay a 40% tax on it. No credits.

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Sep-25-13 6:15 PM

I will go on this Plan as soon as Obama and everyone that got waivers go on it. Until then, I'll keep what I have.

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Sep-25-13 9:40 PM

Yep, silence is golden.

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Sep-26-13 10:42 AM

Call your senators, people. Let them know exactly what you think about defunding Obamacare or the new tax, as I prefer to call it.

Is it possible? Perhaps. Will it be a long process? Just like any gov't venture, yes. Would it be worth it? YES!

Until then, most of us can "enjoy" preparing to pay MORE (tax) and not LESS (tax) than we did before this (tax) debacle called Obamacare was passed.

Why is the administration running from full implementation of Obamacare (The Tax)?

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Sep-26-13 12:52 PM

Huffington Post July 2013

"Putting off a major element (employer mandate) of the 2010 health care reform law less than six months before the expansion of health insurance coverage to millions is supposed to take effect nevertheless stands as a setback for the administration and gives fodder to Obamacare critics to proclaim the law isn't ready for prime time."

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Sep-26-13 5:42 PM

let me see, the debt ceiling is to pay the bills that Congress has already approved and spent. Wow, now that seems quite irresponsible. But, An interesting party of dusty's poll also shows that almost 60% of the people who responded to dusty's poll also stated that the deficit had gone up over the past year. In actuality, the yearly deficit has gone down by almost 40% in the past year over the previous year. So, do they really realize what defaulting on the debt would do to the country and to the world? But, instead of trimming subsidies to big oil, big business, agriculture, and cutting foreign aide, the Republicans want the XL pipeline gift to big oil and the Koch brother to stay, and cut meals on wheels, snap programs and food stamps instead. Now, does that really make any sense?

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Sep-26-13 8:24 PM

"The Huffington Post????"

"Can you imagine the outcry if a Liberal used Huffpost as a source?"

Most of the outcry that I've seen about sources has been about conservatives citing conservative (ahem) "right-wing" sources.

That outcry has been long and loud. Unending even.

I cited HuffPost because it is a "liberal" source. Is it no longer a "credible liberal" source, willgrr? You could tell me, if you wanted to spare me some embarrassment.

On second thought, I think you'll let me quote HuffPost to my heart's content, won't you?

See, I can't do anything right...I mean, correctly.

Uh oh, was that whining? Sorry...

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Sep-26-13 8:36 PM

OK, Veritas, I get it that you think you "deserve" healthcare aka Obamacare, just because.

War in Iraq was voted on and we went. It proved to be unpopular. Candidates campaigned about "getting out" of Iraq. Elections have come and gone, the war in Iraq is "over" and we've moved on, right?

"I recognize that all of us – here in the United States, in Great Britain, in many parts of the world – there is a certain weariness given Afghanistan, there's a certain suspicion of any military action post-Iraq," Obama said..."

Today Pres. Obama's poll numbers are down (43%), Obamacare has real problems, but Veritas deserves healthcare.

D*** the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

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Sep-26-13 8:41 PM

"Really like that commercial of Uncle Sam rising between a womens legs with a gyno tool...Really classy anti-Obamacare propoganda..."

Haven't seen it, Veritas. On the other hand, I have seen plenty of those commercials giving out the phone number to "sign up" for insurance, because Obamacare was found legal by SCOTUS.

Now is that classy Obamacare propaganda or what?

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Sep-26-13 8:42 PM

Veritas, these are only my opinions, but they do illustrate the "other side" of an argument, discussion, issue or viewpoint.


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Sep-27-13 8:55 AM

Willies....I do see Cspan using the HuffPo for stories all the time on their Washington may be tabloid, but it still is legitimate Democrat Party news...

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Sep-27-13 10:01 AM

"Today Congress's poll numbers are down to 8%...Well...Well......Well, it's Obama's fault!"

realclearpolitics . com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903

This site details an average of six polls concerning Congressional job approval. The average percentage is 16.8% approval, which is different from 8% approval figure cited by Veritas. Yeah, that's a low figure, for both the Senate and House.

While I was there, I looked up RCP's average on "Approval of Obamacare Law"...

Seven polls averaged out to a 38.7% FOR and 52.0% AGAINST Obamacare.

Just the facts...

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Sep-27-13 11:07 AM

I was just wondering if the 500-600 million dollars in advertising against Obamacare would have anything to do with those poll numbers. Or, maybe it is the 4000 hours per month of air time for Rush, Shawn, Bill, and the rest, with each making many statements against Obamacare(many of which are incorrect)(death panels, etc) that affect the poll numbers. We have had five years of the right wing media doing nothing but blaming Obama for everything. We need a health care bill and the Republicans have NOTHING. They have presented nothing for healthcare because they want nothing. They are bought and paid for by the health care lobby, pharmaceuticals, and insurance companies. Remember what is true about the media, if you repeat something often enough even if it is not true, people will believe it as fact. That is the motto of the Republican party.

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Sep-27-13 11:15 AM

Obviously, whistle, you don't look at the facts. You just listen to the talkies and read the winger trash. Congress has done nothing because of the obstructionism put forth since day one by the Republicans. Don't you remember the meeting of fifteen or so Republican leaders on inauguration night to plan the downfall of the President. Their vow was to block any initiatives of the President and make him a one term President(Mitch McConnell). Well, maybe you forgot the record 350-400 filibuster of the Republican Senate to block the bills from the house the first couple of years. Well, if not that, then how about the 40 plus votes in the house to revoke the health care bill or the anti abortion riders attached to almost every bill that has come out of the house. Those are facts of what congress is doing and even though you want to, they cannot be ignored. The Republican party is putting their party(power) ahead of what is good for the country.

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Sep-27-13 12:42 PM

"We need a health care bill and the Republicans have NOTHING. They have presented nothing for healthcare because they want nothing."


"They are bought and paid for by the health care lobby, pharmaceuticals, and insurance companies."

I've heard the exact opposite, that the ones who passed Obamacare are the ones benefitting big pharma, big insurance, etc.

I'm won't ask for sources anymore, as it seems to bother some people. So if I have time, I'll find sources to either back up my claims or dispute yours, centerish.

But it won't happen because anyone ordered me to. I'm learning from willgrr about this sources thingy...

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