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State should help the poor

September 8, 2013

Cody Stanley, Grand Forks Jesus said to help the needy. We have many poor folks in North Dakota—over 80,000 people in our own state live below the poverty line. Luckily, with a $1....

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locomotive

Sep-15-13 3:26 PM

willgrr, I've read about that low deficit figure. I've also heard that if the gov't quits investing in the stock market, things will really break loose.

What I'd like to see happen is NO deficit spending, like making a budget and then not spending more than is taken in.

Congrats to all that were in office when this lower deficit spending happened. Sure, it's good news, but it's transitory. It'd be best if deficit spending were eliminated altogether by the gov't spending within its means, as citizens are expected to do.

Here's a question: is gov't too big to fail?

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locomotive

Sep-14-13 3:17 PM

Idle liberal speculation...

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 11:53 PM

It's only called "obstructionist" when Republicans do it to Democrats.

The group on PBSNewshour were doing ALL the talking points tonite...

The Tea Party is taking over the GOP

They just don't get how things work in DC

Why oh why can't they just get along

Y'know, I've heard all the points before, right here on good ol' MDN.

Get a new script, people.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 11:41 PM

"This flies in the face of Republicans and right wing politics. Helping the poor was Jesus' message. Why do they hate Jesus so?"

Referencing Jesus is easy. Referencing Jesus correctly is not as easy.

One place where Jesus talked about the poor is Matthew 26:6-13. A woman came and anointed Jesus' head with ointment. His disciples were indignant and said the ointment could have been sold for much, and the money given to the poor.

"When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.

"For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

"For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial."

Poverty still exists in this world. If one believes in gov't goodness, then gov'ts should help the poor. But I don't believe that gov't always goes about "doing good" like Jesus did.

Do I hate gov't so? No, I just don't love gov't so.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 4:44 PM

Says billgitmo, the slammin' king.

Probably says all billgitmo's friends too.

What else is new?

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 3:51 PM

billgitmo, don't play stupid. That'd be twice in one day. Again.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 12:54 PM

billgitmo's outta line. Again. Really...

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:31 AM

"uppityness"

Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous

And that's our Vocabulary Minute for today...

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:28 AM

"and yet the only ones prosecuted are Republicans."

Why is that, willgrr?

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:21 AM

cont...

We all said "doesn't really want a job then."

Is ANY job supposed to last forever? If company owners decide to fold, those jobs will end. Then it's time to try for another. Or go into business for oneself. (Tons of people are doing that here in the Bakken.)

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.

The phrase is not supposed to be...

If at first "they" don't succeed for you, whine, whine again.

I have compassion for people who are facing hard times and need a hand up. I don't have compassion for people who make the decision not to work and want a hand out.

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locomotive

Sep-13-13 9:17 AM

"Those who find any form of relief so disgusting should be first to try anything to put the unemployed to work--but they are the last. They are also last to pay a decent wage, leave a tip or offer a helping hand."

Legend, I think "relief" to people who fall on hard times is appropriate, but "relief" should never be a way of life.

As far as being the "first to try anything to put the unemployed to work," that is a relative statement. Are people supposed to wait around for somebody to offer them a job? Are people supposed to wait for the government to ensure their employment?

Or are people supposed to try for themselves to get a job, no matter the job, no matter the pay, until another job can be procured? Is it just a rumor that some people will not apply for work at Walmart, for example, because they consider that work "beneath" them?

I had a family member refuse to apply at McD's for that reason. We all said "doesn't r

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 9:49 PM

"No party ties, just rich pigs."

Legend, doesn't it make a difference how your "rich pigs" vote? Do they vote to assure themselves of more "riches?" Which party allows that to happen?

I'm also sensing some class envy in your posts. If "rich pigs" earn their money legally, then it's their right to keep it or spend it or invest it or contribute it or whatever. Just like I do with the money I earn: I keep it or spend it or invest it or contribute it or whatever.

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 10:33 AM

angeR, we need MDN to invest in some kind of technology that will register sarcastic comments in a different color. How about ruby red?

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 10:31 AM

centerish, I'm almost positive that angeR was posting in sarcasm. Though I could be wrong. It's happened before...

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angeR69

Sep-12-13 10:30 AM

Center, I've said all I need to say in this thread. Let's just say Legend managed to do in one post what you couldn't do in half a dozen: shut me up.

There gets to a point, when you are conversing with irrational people that words no longer serve a purpose. I am still in awe. So much ignorance, so little time to address it.

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locomotive

Sep-12-13 10:17 AM

"The people who dodge the big taxes have been building huge piles of money--even during this recession."

Legend, tell me the political ideology of these people. Are they ALL Republicans? Independents? Democrats? Or a mixture of each?

If one is preaching to the choir, one hopes when church is over that the choir members will do what's been said and not forget it as soon as they're out of the building.

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centerfield

Sep-12-13 10:16 AM

A great post from anger: "Wow Legend. You are amazing." It is about time that you start to recognize people who post with facts and applaud their efforts. You should try to emulate that type of posting.

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angeR69

Sep-12-13 12:55 AM

Wow Legend. You are amazing.

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angeR69

Sep-11-13 10:12 PM

I'm pretty sure I have a firm grasp on the meaning of pity. How about charity? Do you know what that is? I can tell you what its not - reaching into your neighbors' pockets to fulfill your need to appear magnanimous.

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centerfield

Sep-11-13 2:50 PM

You are too funny, anger. If anything, it is an indictment of the religious right and those who profess Christianity. Maybe you don't fall into either of those two. But, short sightedness seems to be your long suit. Pity? Do you even know what that entails? Obviously not.

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angeR69

Sep-11-13 10:43 AM

Um.. Typo.

I pity you Center.

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angeR69

Sep-11-13 10:40 AM

"So, here were are, the greatest nation in the world and we claim it is bad to help out people."

I you Center. This one statement, all by itself, exemplifies the fallacy of the left.

No matter what I say - no matter how much proof to the contrary - you will always remain locked into that one narrow view: that everything good and pure has to come through the government. Man is incapable of helping man except through that government filter.

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centerfield

Sep-10-13 11:17 PM

My, my, my, BDGI, what a factual, informative presentation. Your intellectual rhetoric makes us all squishy inside.

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centerfield

Sep-10-13 12:13 PM

So, here were are, the greatest nation in the world and we claim it is bad to help out people. We have countries all around us who provide government health care for their people. We have countries all around us who take care of their people and care about individuals. But, here we are, a country who professes to be God fearing and compassionate but we don't have compassion for certain people? We have more compassion for big corporations getting massive tax breaks and subsidies than we have for our people. We must remember that corporations are people too?? There are a whole lot more people who don't want to be in the circumstances they are in than those who just want to take things from others. But, that rhetoric plays well from the right and to the people buy into it.

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locomotive

Sep-10-13 10:21 AM

With entitlement mentalities--

what's in this for our state or our side of the state

I'm ok but my neighbor's not doing so well - shouldn't the gov't do something about people like him

I should be able to see a doctor when I need to

doesn't anybody care that I'm a single parent and doing this by myself

...there will be entitlements.

Just think. A hundred and some years ago, the one federal entitlement in this area was a homestead. If you could prove up on your claim, then it was yours. HOW one achieved this was largely the responsibility of the claim holder.

Imagine a Homestead Act of 2013. "OK, so I'll need to be on this land for 5 years. How about food? I'm supposed to grow it? Myself? Isn't there public transportation out here? What about water? Dig a well? What's an "outhouse?" There's no trees here. Where is my house? In the dirt? That's it? But my neighbor has a shanty - why can't I have a shanty? It's not fair....."

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