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History repeating itself

August 28, 2013

Forty-six people were killed in Iraq Sunday, as it becomes clearer and clearer U.S. strategy to pacify that country was a dismal, bloody, expensive failur....

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centerfield

Aug-28-13 1:10 AM

We certainly must thank those people who used lies and deception in order to get us to invade a sovereign nation. Bush 2 was told by his father and his father's secretary of State that there is no exit strategy if you invade. (that was why Bush 1 did not go into Baghdad) But, Cheney and Bush went in anyway just to get the oil contracts (which we did not get anyway) and pure stupid vanity. This is alllllllllllll Republican arrogance.

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MattRothchild

Aug-28-13 8:59 AM

And now Obama is rattling the sabre to go into Syria. All the same rhetoric and arguments used as with Iraq.

And nobody seems willing to see the similarities. How things change in just a decade.

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centerfield

Aug-28-13 9:29 AM

So, by questioning the oil contracts item, you are agreeing that it was arrogance and stupidity on the part of the Republicans was responsible for this Iraq catastrophe? You make this so easy, BDGI. It shows how little you really know about things. All you need to do is search Iraq oil contracts 2000-2001 and you will find that contract were issued for huge expansions of the southern Iraq oil fields. Those contracts were given to France, Germany, Russia, and China. The big oil companies from the US were shut out. Bush, the Texas oil baron, went in to get the contracts for these companies. Guess which countries were most vocal in their opposition to the war. Yep, named them above. How little your really know.

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muleskinner

Aug-28-13 10:12 AM

Another 3 trillion dollar war will probably bring peace in the middle east. Might as well go for round 3.

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centerfield

Aug-28-13 10:20 AM

I would hope that we let the European theatre and the UN clean it up. But, there is no doubt in my mind that had we had big pockets Romney in as President, we would have long ago put arms, support, and manpower in Syria months ago. There is also no doubt in my mind that the right wing would have backed his play fully. So, changie, I don't support intervention by the US.

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MattRothchild

Aug-28-13 11:27 AM

You know, Whistler, it will be interesting to see if everyone can stick to their stories a few months from now should we become militarily involved there. Perhaps someone should start writing down today's date with the various screennames and where they come down on this issue today. Then for the fun part, check back in 6-12 months and see if they're still singing the same song, or if they got talked into a different position by "their" side.

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centerfield

Aug-28-13 12:11 PM

Hey, hey, hey. Do any of you know why Russia is so opposed to the intervention in Syria? Big corporations and greed rule the world. You guys should look it up? Give you a hint? Gas pipeline to Europe. Nuff said.

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muleskinner

Aug-28-13 5:03 PM

Can we get a live feed via defense intelligence satellite broadcast ?

I hope there is another war. The change we need is more death and destruction. President Obama is being played for a fool and taken for a ride.

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locomotive

Aug-28-13 11:33 PM

"We certainly must thank those people who used lies and deception in order to get us to invade a sovereign nation."

This sentence could prove useful in, say, the next few weeks concerning a certain situation in Syria. Stay tuned...

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locomotive

Aug-28-13 11:42 PM

I liked your comments, Matt. I was thinking along those lines too.

More ways of saying "history repeats itself"...

"There's nothing new under the sun."

"Been There, Done That, Gave the T-Shirt to The Next Guy, He Lost It."

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muleskinner

Aug-29-13 7:11 AM

If an attack on Syria does take place, oil fields in ND may need to be guarded by the army. The dogs of war will be unleashed anywhere on earth theses days.

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centerfield

Aug-29-13 10:07 AM

BDGI, you need to get that baby rattle out of your mouth and wipe the drool off your chin. Let me see, the US destroyed the entire government of Iraq, killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, and made a wreck of the country. Now, did not Bush directly say that Iraq oil would pay for the war? Yes he did. I bet you did not even google the oil contracts. Too lazy, I suppose. Well, as far as I know it was never on MSNBC unless you already saw it there. It is amazing that you continue to post with no factual information. That alzheimers is tough for you.

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locomotive

Aug-29-13 10:24 AM

"That alzheimers is tough for you."

centerish, I think this latest liberal slam of yours has my puny word "loser" all beat to smithereens. Good one.../sarc/

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locomotive

Aug-29-13 10:29 AM

muleskinner, I liked the "dogs of war" post too. Good on ya!

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locomotive

Aug-29-13 10:53 AM

"Now, did not Bush directly say that Iraq oil would pay for the war? Yes he did."

factcheck . org/2010/03/rove-vs-brokaw-and-other-sunday-squabbles/

This site's for you, centerish. It looks like Pres. Bush himself did not say what you said he "directly" said. The article intimates that some in his administration were talking about Iraq's oil revenues. Included is a transcript of Carl Rove and Tom Brokaw arguing about what exactly those oil revenues were to be used for.

Interesting article, centerish. You should read it, if you don't wish to be labeled "lazy" or non-factual. Isn't that about the least of what you've said about others who don't agree with your take on things?

And just think...I've provided you with the perfect launching pad to say still more on this issue.

You're welcome as always, centerish.

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centerfield

Aug-29-13 11:40 AM

Gosh, loco, you need to take off those colored glasses and maybe review BDGI's comments over the past months. Mine are tame compare to this. Now, as to your source! Are you really serious. That is the best you have got. Karl Rove???? That is your source. He is pushing his book in which he was trying to revise history to look more favorably on their lies. It is a tossup between Rove and Cheney as to who is the biggest liar and crook. Now, you need to be honest about this. Did you not believe that part or all of the war/reconstruction costs would come from Iraq oil? Now, be honest here. Back in 2002,2003,2004, did you not have an understanding that the war would be paid for and the US citizen would not be on the hook? I think most every US citizen who was concerned about the cost of the war was given that indication. So, let go back to the correct time frame for information and not to one of the biggest liars in the right wing party.

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locomotive

Aug-29-13 11:53 AM

centerish, I provided a source, even if it didn't pass your litmus test. All you've given me are your "memories" of 2002, 2003, 2004 or some such wording. How about an independent source (meaning not your personal memory banks) that substantiates at least one or two of your claims? I'm beginning to think you wear rose-colored glasses...

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centerfield

Aug-29-13 12:27 PM

There was no litmus test with your source. It was just so far off that only a winger with no option would use it. You could go back to direct quotes from the administration if you like. Now, I know that you won't admit that years ago, you even thought that the war would be paid for with Iraq oil money. Most everyone in the country did. Maybe they got that from the same source that told us the gift to the banking/housing industry during the last part of Bush's term would be paid back in full. Fairy tales abound in the Bush administration. Karl Rove???? Really!!!!

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locomotive

Aug-29-13 1:42 PM

"Now, I know that you won't admit that years ago, you even thought that the war would be paid for with Iraq oil money. Most everyone in the country did."

Broad surmisings there, but you're entitled to your opinion.

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centerfield

Aug-29-13 2:45 PM

Dodged it again. How about an "honest" answer. Yes or no. By dodging the question the first time, you taint a denial on the second run. It just stands to reason. If you did not know or think it were true, you would have answered in the negative right away. I cannot wait for your excuse on this one.

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centerfield

Aug-29-13 2:48 PM

Back to the Keystone again, right changie. Let me see, could you refresh me on that connection? Now, it is Obama's war. Well, he pulled out of Iraq, so what does that say. This whole thing was a Republican blunder and will stay that way forever. Trillions of dollars in total costs and climbing. Put in in your pipe and smoke it.

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centerfield

Aug-29-13 4:11 PM

Well, BDGI, you need to take a valium and calm down... remember you heart problems and stress... Three posts of ranting and raving. Is that the best you can do? Call me some more names, go ahead, make your day. You still put NOTHING on the table but your hatred, ill manners, and right wing garbage. ---"Really ignorant are you not?" Nope, I am not.

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locomotive

Aug-29-13 5:00 PM

"January 1973: the Paris Peace Agreement was signed, and the Americans left Vietnam."

Who was President at the time? Nixon.

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locomotive

Aug-30-13 1:49 PM

"Your desperate posts to remain in power are useless. You are history."

Time will tell which posters were desperate and which will be history.

willgrr, talk to your friend about "perdickting" things...

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