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Health care law problems

July 12, 2013

“Obamacare,” the White House version of socialized medicine for Americans, always was a train wreck about to happen. Already the law has jumped the tracks on several ocassions....

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icart68

Jul-12-13 8:11 AM

Ninety-six percent of businesses in this country have fewer than 50 employees. For these employers nothing changes because they were already exempt from the employer responsibility requirements. For larger businesses with more than 50 employees, 96 percent already offer insurance and we believe will continue to for business reasons.

Only the 4 percent of larger employers that do not offer health insurance will be impacted by the delay in the penalty.

The one-year delay in reporting requirements will allow larger businesses time to adjust and provide additional input to the Treasury on how the proposed requirements will work best.

hhhmmm....Does ANYONE at MDN use ANY OTHER SOURCE for their "editorials" (Talking points)other than Faux snooze???

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rajiihammr

Jul-12-13 9:56 AM

If Republicons and the MDN are so sure that the PPACA will be a complete and utter failure why not just quiet down, shut up and sit back and watch it fail.(and coast to a 2016 electoral victory, which they may do anyway because their propaganda seems to be working) Or, do they secretly dread that it will work just fine and millions and millions of citizens who have lived precariously without health insurance will benefit from insurance coverage. And for them they may view insurance not a a loss of freedom as the rightwing would like to characterize the issue and more as another cost of living in a civil society. Because if you are not paying that cost someone else is.

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Marvin51

Jul-12-13 1:24 PM

Truth is we had a train wreck of a system before Obamacare. As for compliance, the only thing waived is the penalty. So businesses can work on complying without worrying that one slip and here comes the penalty.

Yes, there are problems in implementation, and they are made worse by people doing everything they can to mess things up. Why don't we read of the current tax credit for small employers? Is it because people aren't supposed to know? Where is the editorial speaking of how the increases in healthcare spending have been smaller after the law than they were before the law?

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locomotive

Jul-12-13 7:22 PM

"Because if you are not paying that cost (insurance) someone else is."

raj, you'll have to prove that your statement's true for those that actually do pay for health care needs out of their own pocket.

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locomotive

Jul-12-13 7:26 PM

Veritas' article: "But the more telling reaction came from the policy world, where conservatives and liberals took a break from their usual disagreements to agree that the White House and Congress should probably just scrap the employer mandate altogether."

In addition, I'd like the individual mandate scrapped as well.

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rajiihammr

Jul-12-13 11:43 PM

OK Loco The usual number tossed around is that the uninsured add $1000 to every policy. Someone who pays all healthcare cost out of pocket wouldn't add to that figure, but hospital bills often exceed the means of all but the really well to do. And I suggest that nearly everyone who chooses not to buy health insurance does so because they lack the means, and therefor couldn't pay a hefty hospital bill in the end.

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rajiihammr

Jul-12-13 11:56 PM

DustO. Backus was referring to the implementation of the launch, NOT the entire law. Exactly the opposite of what you stated.

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locomotive

Jul-13-13 12:59 AM

raj, if one (or even a family) is generally healthy and doesn't need a large amount of health care, it is possible to pay for the basic needs out of pocket.

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locomotive

Jul-13-13 1:06 AM

Robert Tracinski 2009

"...how is it possible for an insurance company to pay for these giant medical bills? What makes it possible is a whole set of statistical calculations. For every person who needs open-heart surgery or chemotherapy, there have to be a certain number of other people who are paying their premiums but haven’t gotten seriously ill. If the insurance company has gotten its calculations right, the expenses for any one person’s catastrophic care are balanced out by the premiums other people pay 'just in case.'"

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locomotive

Jul-13-13 1:08 AM

RT 2009 cont...

"You can see how Obama’s demands undermine this whole system. To ask insurance companies to cover a patient after the tumor is diagnosed is to ask them to take on a known expense. Combine that with another Obama demand: that insurance companies can’t charge higher rates for those who are at higher risk of getting sick. So if insurance companies have to take on a known expense and can’t charge a higher rate for it, how are they going to pay for it? By raising everyone else’s rates, redistributing their wealth to the new freeloaders.

"This isn’t insurance, it’s welfare. And that’s the whole point."

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locomotive

Jul-13-13 1:12 AM

Comment about RC 2009, hotair . com 3-25-10

"Right. That’s why you need a mandate — not only to cover the costs of emergency care for the uninsured, as Romney insists, but to squeeze premiums out of people (healthy young people, mostly) who probably won’t need care at all. And what if that’s not enough of a corrective to the “maldistribution”? Well, then you add some taxes and squeeze a little more revenue that way."

Even back in 2009 and 2010, the whole ACA thingy was depressing...

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Worldview

Jul-13-13 2:10 AM

The Affordable Care Act should be scrapped and Medicare provided to all USA citizens.

The fact the we pay twice as much for health care, insure far less, and rank 37th in the world for providing health care, should tell you something about the greatest nation on earth.

Good people would care about the poor, the distraught and the disadvantaged, but unfortunately they are mostly Republican and cannot fathom the kindness and human compassion that would entail.

What would Jesus say to that?

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Worldview

Jul-13-13 2:20 AM

Republicans will fight to the end against health care for all - simply to spite the President. That is not a policy, and only pleases the extreme elements on which there foundation is built.

Extremism in the party is killing at an ever increasing speed.

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disgusted

Jul-13-13 6:21 AM

Jesus was never talking to the government. He was talking to people, individuals, and expressing the need for everyone to love one another, and for each individual to care for each other. Never have I read anywhere in the Bible that Jesus told the government to mandate anything.

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Worldview

Jul-13-13 7:49 AM

Jesus provided free healthcare and did not charge money for it.

The Great USA is the only democratic civilized country that does not provide healthcare to all, unlike those communist countries like Canada, France, England, Germany who spend half as much on health care as we do yet take care of their own.

USA is not about compassion and caring for the poor and distraught, they are about the almighty dollar, the rich and the corporation interests.. Why do you think the House of Representatives is trying to cut out food stamps? And who are they?

WWJD!!!!

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Worldview

Jul-13-13 8:28 AM

All Americans are already paying for health care, the biggest jump was in 201-2004, where as for the last 3 years price increases have slowed considerable from the past. - Kaiser Foundation Info - That is a fact and pokes a big hole in the argument that healthcare costs gone up more because of ACA. It is a misrepresented fact that costs have gone up much more under the current President, and it is perpetuated by certain news orgs with non discerning listeners.

Scrap it, and provide Medicare for all, and if you have money they go get/pay for your premium care. Bring back compassion and true caring and take care of our people...

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Worldview

Jul-13-13 8:47 AM

Trying to write from an Iphone is a chore when it comes to grammar.

Veritas - You are right of course and agree with you.

Problem is the ACA was enacted with a lot of special interests (Ins Companies etc.) so that it is monumental in its implementation. Still it is better than what we had before. The uninsured and healthy who do not carry ins for whatever reason are costing us all, because Everyone will need health care at some point.

They were afraid to go full scale and provide something like medicare or Medicaid to all people because it was to bold and the special interests easily knocked it down.

If you have the money fine, buy your premium care. But we need comprehensive care for all, and it is doable regardless of how it is skewered. How else can you explain the Canada, Germany, France, England take care of all their folks for half the cost we pay? Not rocket science, people are dying and suffering because of our lack of will, and dedication to the right thing.

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Missy1

Jul-13-13 12:14 PM

I'm planning on picking up Obama Care Survival Guide. It will probably explain some of the many new laws and taxes attached to this law.

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locomotive

Jul-13-13 1:13 PM

"Jesus provided free healthcare and did not charge money for it."

Well, this is one way of looking at the miracles of Jesus that I've never heard before.

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locomotive

Jul-13-13 1:16 PM

"If Obamacare is fully implemented, tens of millions of Americans will have health care and alot of them won't die."

Guess what, Veritas. Even if all Americans have full coverage provided for any health care need, all Americans will still die, inevitably, at some point. No, really.

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locomotive

Jul-13-13 1:27 PM

"The uninsured and healthy who do not carry ins for whatever reason are costing us all, because Everyone will need health care at some point."

So, of course, the government MUST be put in charge of providing health care (sarc). Besides, I think the above statement is bogus.

And we thought toilet seats for the military ended up being overpriced? I just don't see this whole thing improving overall, because of precedent with other government industry takeovers.

What about the student loan thingy? Now interest rates are now controlled by political parties' whims and fancies, if they weren't already before.

Where is government oversight on fraud and waste in its own programs? That's right. No one in charge has been appointing inspectors general who used to perform that task.

Government bureaucracies = SNAFU

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rajiihammr

Jul-13-13 1:51 PM

HEY DustOH Baucus... "The administration's public information campaign on the benefits of the Affordable Care Act deserves a failing grade," he told Sebelius. "You need to fix this."

HEY DustUP He says BENEFITS !!! He's talking about the promotion of the law!! He is NOT talking about the law itself!!!

Do I need to 6 or 8 exclamation points after everything to make it sink IN?!!!!!!!

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JackAaah

Jul-13-13 1:56 PM

The government is not Jesus, thank God....but we of the Democrat Party KNOW that government is our god....

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rajiihammr

Jul-13-13 1:58 PM

Loco... Bad things happen to healthy people too.

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rajiihammr

Jul-13-13 4:27 PM

DustOH, Your last posting was a train wreck.

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