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Breaking the law is irrelevant?

May 31, 2013

Whether or not the Internal Revenue Service broke the law in harassing conservative political groups “is irrelevant,” White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer recently told a reporter....

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centerfield

May-31-13 10:35 AM

Breaking the Law!! Now, lets analyze this? Whoops, rightys don't analyze anything, they just look for the conspiracy. Who broke the law? The groups that applied for 503 exemptions and then went out and violated the provisions of the agreement. Now, they broke the law!! What is the IRS's job in this case? Well, possibly to analyze what these groups are doing and see if they are breaking the law. So, the IRS is doing it job and the 503 groups are violating the law. Lets just start with Crossroads and Karl Rove... Now , MDN, did they break the law???????? The answer, Mr. editor, is YES.

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Missy1

May-31-13 11:13 AM

The IRS broke the law. They also answer to their boss, Obama. Obama is now going to have the IRS monitor the Obama care. Comforting.

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centerfield

May-31-13 11:35 AM

Please explain what law they Broke, missy... show us your stuff.

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73Hockey

May-31-13 2:26 PM

What law did the 503 groups break? They applied, then waited and waited and waited to be ultimately denied. Denied just as McDonald's would deny Burger King, competition, that's all.

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centerfield

May-31-13 4:37 PM

Mr. Hockey, could you please list the 503 applicants that were denied status? How many? Conservative or Liberal? Come now, mr. factual, show us your stuff. Oh, and what law was that?

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centerfield

May-31-13 4:45 PM

Oh, and check the history of the approved 503 applicants...You know, Karl Rove- Crossroads--tea party participants. What laws did they break? Well, the primary focus of their groups was supposed to be social issues. They were not to spend money to defeat candidates in elections. It was estimated that at least 80-90% of these organizations signed statements that they would not go after candidates but in actuality violated that agreement almost instantly. That, dear hockey, is against the law.

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Missy1

May-31-13 7:18 PM

Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA).

1.Groups of donors or official that have run or will run for office.

2.Details about conversations and discussions groups the members had about the issues and other jobs the members held outside the group, including hours worked. Where do their family members work? How many Hours.

3. To date they did not do this to Liberal Progressive groups.

Really?

They targeted them. And Harassed them. They broke the Law.

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Missy1

May-31-13 7:23 PM

I care about what is happening today. Not the past, that you keep whining about. Obama has been the President, it is under his watch. He is to blame.

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Missy1

May-31-13 7:26 PM

And that Centerfield is just a couple of things. There is a whole lot more. You look it up. I don't care what you believe to be true.

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namexxx

May-31-13 8:56 PM

What does the law say about tax payers subsidizing a privately owned newspaper?

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73Hockey

May-31-13 8:56 PM

Not so center, you are the one that brought up the 503 groups and maybe there were some in your eyes that "broke the law" do YOU know all of them? I just quoted YOUR 503 number. They no more broke the law than YOU do by looking for tax write offs and exemptions every year. So if they broke the law you probably have as well, keep digging though, it's fun!

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centerfield

Jun-01-13 12:05 AM

Well, I would have expected both missy and minorleaguehockey to respond with their own opinions and to throw out wild accusations. Who should I spank first..Oh, Missy-- well, only one applicant was denied the status and that group was liberal. ALL conservative groups were approved. Now, since they agreed to only provide funding for social programs, it is well within the authority of the TIGTA to investigate further to determine that they are only working on social programs...so, they ask a lot of questions about the people involved both internally and on the fringe. why Not? The history of these groups was to fund campaigns against specific candidates and thus "violate" the conditions of the agreement-- they were then violating the LAW. Oh, and by the way, there were many, many groups doing this. In addition, many of those groups who applied and were checked went, right out after getting their approval and spent money campaigning against Candidates--thus, violating th

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centerfield

Jun-01-13 12:42 AM

now, mrhockeyjuniorleague, you obviously are way over the deep end by trying to defend these groups. Lets just start with the biggest violator of all- Karl Rove and his crossroads group. No contest, broke the law. But, why stop there.. First Coast Tea Party or maybe Kentucky tea party.... Oh, gosh, there are many, many more examples..they just are not listed in the right wing sources you look at. You need to get real and get the facts. Oh, that is right, you never do that...sorry for you.

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73Hockey

Jun-01-13 10:32 AM

More left than center, way more than the 503 you mention, count the liberal ones as well and see who is "breaking the law". Be careful of your research though, the tax dodger you find may be one of your own.

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locomotive

Jun-01-13 11:09 AM

I think "knuckle dragging" has to be the favorite descriptive phrase of the lefties.

Is that really supposed to mean something? Oh yeah, contempt for views other than one's own.

willgrr! Cleanup on aisle 653!

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locomotive

Jun-01-13 11:14 AM

centerish, I see a lot of what you've called "bloviating" in your posts. In other words, you're swinging, but not connecting. Why not cite your own sources and send it outta da park for all to see?

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namexxx

Jun-01-13 12:09 PM

Knuckle dragging Neanderthals -- yes, it means something. The fact that you can't discern the meaning should point out your membership in the club.

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locomotive

Jun-01-13 4:24 PM

willgrr, I find my own sources when other conservatives bring up a topic I'm interested in or curious about. It helps me to confirm or deny what's been posted. Then if I wish to clarify what somebody else has posted, I do so.

Your special definition of "hypocrite" seems broad indeed. The freedictionary defines "hypocrisy" as "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense."

For instance, when you start consistently requiring sources from your fellow liberals, especially on posts that are apparently far left, then you may call me a hypocrite. Truthfully.

Until then, you'll just remain the same as always: hot air and/or much ado about nothing.

Don't worry, centerish. It seems your posts are safe from willgrr.

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locomotive

Jun-01-13 4:32 PM

Why, thank you, willgrr.

I'd like to return the compliment...

:-)

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locomotive

Jun-02-13 11:50 AM

DustOff, willgrr's latest "thing of the week" is for some conservative to provide pics (if they exist) of former Pres. Bush in a situation room watching 57 embassy folks being killed. This must be very important, otherwise he wouldn't keep asking, right?

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Jecoope

Jun-04-13 3:43 PM

To compare this to what Nixon did is really a stretch. Nixon personally directed the IRS to go after his enemies and competitors. There isn't a shred of evidence that Obama knew anything about this. Besides that, conservatives are all for profiling, why shouldn't the IRS go after the groups that brazenly misuse the law?

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locomotive

Jun-06-13 8:22 AM

politicalticker . blogs . cnn . com/2013/05/31/did-irs-chief-really-visit-white-house-157-times/

This article provides more detail for the Shulman visits to the WH, as well as detail about why an IRS would have to visit with administration officials, which I find more troubling. They were visiting about the role the IRS has in implementing obamacare.

"The president's health care law created a massive new workload for the IRS, which is charged with issuing and enforcing rules related to Obamacare."

cont...

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locomotive

Jun-06-13 8:23 AM

"The agency's tasks include collecting information for employers and insurers; figuring out who qualified for subsidies or Medicaid, determining who must pay a penalty for not obtaining insurance, and penalizing employers that don't provide affordable coverage to their employees.

"'Tax provisions included in the Affordable Care Act represent the largest set of tax law changes the IRS has had to implement in more than 20 years,' the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration noted in a recent report.

"The ACA has some 500 provisions, and more than 40 amend or add provisions to the tax code, according to the report."

Well, I sure feel better now...

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billldoesntgetit

Jun-07-13 11:14 PM

So today the Ohio office people are speaking out.. They are starting to tell all about where the orders came from.. Only a matter of time until this is all traced right back to Washington DC>

I hope every liberal in the country gets audited by the IRS this year. That's the only way they can make this come out for equal treatment..

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billldoesntgetit

Jun-07-13 11:16 PM

jeppope There isn't a shred of evidence that Obama knew anything about this.. Your right.. There isn't a shred of evidence that Obama knows anything..

He says so himself.. I didn't know..no one told me.. I was not aware.. my teleprompter is missing.. I know nothing..

Japoopie.. This is a LONG LONG LONG way from being over.. This will take months maybe even years but the paper trails will be followed and they will lead right back to the White House..

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