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Suppressing right to vote

March 31, 2013

Marvin Frank, Grand Forks Dear Fellow North Dakotans, I am very concerned that some North Dakota legislators that are moving a bill that would require identification to vote....

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subman

Mar-31-13 8:15 AM

As a veteran I too served to preserve this great land, but I have absolutely no problem with voter ID. In fact I support it wholeheartedly. Every one has some sort of ID nowdays as we need one for about everything we do. I want to know who is voting and if they are legally allowed to be voting. Picture ID's would make this alot simpler and would prevent voter fraud.

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muleskinner

Mar-31-13 8:17 AM

Last I looked, we are constitutional republic, not a democracy.

The US Constitution allowed for the states to determine who has the right to vote. Originally, only white male landowners with considerable wealth were allowed to vote, had the right. Everybody else was excluded, no exceptions.

North Dakota could return to the original 'right to vote' and have it exclusively for landowners who are white, but that might not be a wise decision.

Requiring a voter to provide proof of residence and identification is not asking for too much.

The state has the right to decide who can be allowed to vote. The State of North Dakota is being generous by allowing any adult 18 years of age and older to have the right to vote.

The right to vote is different than the unalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The right to vote is alienable. Convicted felons lose their right to vote, which is a good policy.

The state CAN limit your voting rights.

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disgusted

Mar-31-13 10:46 AM

NoTea, that makes absolutely NO sense. The bill does not limit one party or the other. I think you need some tea to get rid of the kool-aid.

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WorriedAmerican

Mar-31-13 11:38 AM

We now want voter ID's to vote, however we do not want anyone to know who owns firearms in this country? One right apparently is constitutionally guarantteed and one is not?

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disgusted

Mar-31-13 11:57 AM

How is an ID an obstruction to voting?

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centerfield

Mar-31-13 3:18 PM

It is being used as voter suppression. All you have to do is look at the popular vote and you will see that Republicans are in the minority across the country. Make it harder or impossible for the other party followers to vote, gerrymander the districts, and you win just like in Illinois. Republicans took 70% of the house seats but lost the popular vote big. The only way Republicans can win is to fix the election just like the old days in Florida.

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subman

Mar-31-13 3:41 PM

no voter supression is having the black panthers armed with baseball bats patrolling the voting booths as they did in Philly.. ever wonder why Romney didn't get even one vote in those precincts?

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centerfield

Apr-01-13 9:35 AM

Actually, dusty, Illinois is a statement of fact. But, you don't deal in facts anyway. The Repubs lost the popular vote in many, many states and not just in the Presidential race. You cannot win unless you suppress and gerrymander the vote.

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subman

Apr-01-13 9:36 AM

as far as I'm concerned.. you need a photo ID and I repeat and proof of paying taxes.... if you have no skin in the game you can't vote... you can't vote in a union election without paying dues... you can't play poker with out money in the ante, why then should you vote without being on the tax roll?

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locomotive

Apr-01-13 10:30 AM

Sure, then all elections can be legitimate, even those in Cincinnati. A poll worker there voted several times for Pres. Obama. She felt it was her duty for him to be re-elected and thought her vote wouldn't count unless she voted more than once. (I suppose there's a certain logic in that sentiment...)

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locomotive

Apr-01-13 4:22 PM

I knew we could trust our watchdog to come through!

billGRR

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centerfield

Apr-01-13 10:05 PM

Gosh, we now have a new interpretation of the Constitution and amendments according to Subman. Boy are you almighty. Nothing like just throwing out the constitution when you want to. Oh, and dusty, your Illinois comment on voter fraud was not the discussion. It was gerrymandering the districts so that Republicans could get more seats without getting the popular vote. But, you never do make sense- small, bald, and lacking.

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Longtoe

Apr-02-13 7:15 AM

I really can't understand what the problem with needing an ID. You can't buy a beer, a pack of smokes or even write a check without one. I show my ID everytime I vote. The only reason to oppose this is because it it harder to vote more than once.

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locomotive

Apr-02-13 9:30 AM

Great comment, Longtoe.

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locomotive

Apr-02-13 9:42 AM

subman's idea possesses a visceral sort of merit, but if implemented, would make certain freedoms unobtainable for all US citizens. We'd go back to a time where all persons were not considered equal.

Instead, the issue that should be addressed is the vested interest that many folks in DC have in keeping the flow of freebies coming in return for votes. Some say subsidies. Others say entitlements. Still others might say grants. It all boils down to "what's in this for me" or "what do I get?"

Our friend JackAaah has been spot on in his posts about "Votes for Gifts" because it is painfully true, regardless of political party. Sad, isn't it?

So, a means to guarantee the quality of my vote doesn't pain me. In fact, everyone's vote would be 100% legit if all had to prove who they are before they can vote.

It's such a simple concept...

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subman

Apr-02-13 11:22 AM

Cenerfiels...what did I say that was unconstitutional???? It used to be in this country that to vote you had to be a land owner, and pay a poll tax to vote... I'm just suggesting that you pay taxes...

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locomotive

Apr-02-13 12:03 PM

subman's right. There was a time in our country's history that you had to own land and/or pay a tax in order to vote. And that was "constitutional" then.

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centerfield

Apr-02-13 1:25 PM

Women were denied the right to vote. Slavery was rampant. So, what is your point. You don't feel that everyone who is a citizen has a right to vote?

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locomotive

Apr-02-13 6:27 PM

No, I do feel that everyone who is a citizen has a right to vote. I don't understand why our country doesn't verify everyone who wishes to cast a vote.

If it's a question of people obtaining IDs, shouldn't our gov't would be willing to enable that to happen? Legitimacy for all.

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namexxx

Apr-02-13 6:57 PM

Dear fellow North Dakotans:

One third of our state budget consists of freebies and handouts from the federal government.

We are takers, not makers.

Maybe we should get off welfare and start contributing for a change.

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namexxx

Apr-02-13 9:05 PM

I'm saying, you're on here -- talking to yourself -- way too much.

Nobody cares.

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centerfield

Apr-02-13 10:26 PM

Obviously, loco, you really "don't" understand. The Republicans have been working on this stuff for years because they cannot win a fair election. They gerrymander districts to their advantage, they impose extra requirements to vote, and they try to make it extra hard for that section of the voting public, who probably will not vote for them, to vote. An example is the hundred year old woman who stood in line for hours in Florida to vote because of garbage rules. The people are already registered or did you not take that into consideration. Guess not. Heck, the Right wing will eat their own as they did with the Republican Legislator from Grand Forks who would not vote their way two sessions ago on the abortion bills. They gerrymandered his district, ran a right winger against him and took him out. They eat their own.

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locomotive

Apr-03-13 11:07 AM

So, centerish, you want to say (by omission) that all Democrats that, for example, work at polling sites are pure and clean, with no "garbage" being done?

Melowese Richardson, Cincinnati, Ohio, thought it was her duty to re-elect Pres. Obama (apparently all by herself) as she cast several votes for him. There's charges against her for elections in 2008 and 2011 as well.

I've heard about Black Panthers at voting sites with baseball bats. Could you confirm or deny that rumor?

Your broad-brush characterizations of Republicans might sound good to you, but I'd say the broad-brush can sweep both ways, if one wants it to.

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namexxx

Apr-03-13 11:22 AM

These ridiculous posts are all just the same person talking to himself.

Move on.

Get a life.

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centerfield

Apr-03-13 12:48 PM

Come on loco, you can do better than that. I did not use the term Democrats at all. Do you sit around all day making stuff up? The amount of voter ID problems is less than .4% of the total vote across the US. The regulations being put in place by the Republican legislators affects many millions of people. The gerrymandering of voting districts affects million of people and the balance of the legislatures as well. The attack on the Republican legislator from GF was a prime example of the wild right running your party. You don't have a Republican party or a party direction. You have a right wing radical group trying to seize control of the party for their benefit. The only way, and I mean the only way, the Republicans can win an election is by fixing it. The fix is in!! As to your brush comment...You are right. Both sides have problems. But, the things the Republicans are doing and have been working on for years is almost so large it is beyond description.

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