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Keystone: Waiting for Obama

March 15, 2013

President Barack Obama doesn’t exactly sound like a guy who’s ready to approve the Keystone XL oil pipeline, and that’s a big concern....

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EarlyBird

Mar-15-13 9:19 AM

Well I'm pretty sure if this pipeline was really necessary it would be built no matter what anybody says. They should build it and sneak it full of water to replenish the southern aquifers, those sleepy Canucks would never figure that out.

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samuel

Mar-15-13 9:24 AM

The President is waiting for permission from his buddy who owns BNSF RR. Warren doesn't want to give up revenue that can be changed into political contributions, neither does the President.

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rajiihammr

Mar-15-13 10:00 AM

President Obama is so anti-job...how anti-job is he?...he's so anti-job that he destroyed jobs at the rate of 800,000/month EVEN as a candidate. Now THAT is anti-job.

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centerfield

Mar-15-13 12:07 PM

Bend and twist the rumors all you want, righties. Facts are facts. Put some facts out to prove this wrong. Oh, and stick to the topic/facts. "Rep. Lee Terry, R-Neb., said Obama "said there were no permanent jobs, and that the oil will be put on ships and exported and that the only ones who are going to get wealthy are the Canadians." Plus, Obama, said the number of jobs created by the pipeline are probably exaggerated." Dispute this with facts instead of your Fox News/Rush rhetoric.

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centerfield

Mar-15-13 3:00 PM

Way to go, B don't get it!!!!! No facts, no nuthin but your lack of intelligence.

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 3:12 PM

So it's out that the pipeline won't go through any environmentally sensitive area?

That's a good fact. And, speaking of the environment, how is transporting oil by trucks--100's of them here in NWND--less polluting than an enclosed pipeline?

As far as the (smaller) number of jobs, there are people in the US who would appreciate just one of the jobs generated by the pipeline's construction. So do the libs have some facts that dispute the economic reality of "not enough jobs in America yet?"

And, centerish, no data from the decidedly liberal sites, which I shall now dub "Faux News & Facts." Fitting, don't ya think?

Thank goodness it's Friday

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centerfield

Mar-15-13 5:08 PM

Do you know how many trains it will take to make up for the 50K BPD they are so graciously allowing us to put into the XL from ND? Just a whole one train per day of about 80-100 cars. Wow, the XL will really help ND. Both companies have stated the oil products are going overseas and the gunk left over after refining is up the US to get rid of. Wow, then throw in the Carbon footprint we get as a bonus and why not support it????

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centerfield

Mar-15-13 5:17 PM

Just for you Loco. Have you ever checked the independent sites, the Canadian sites both ministry and oil, or the oil company sites and got information that was correct, I would be shocked. You still have not refuted the quote with facts. One job is a trade off for that. We have lots of jobs in ND that he could take. I believe the new pipeline route still crosses part of the Ogalala aquifer. Oh, and I consider any watershed area, creek, or minor river as sensitive. You guys would too if they were running the pipeline across the Des Lacs drainage. Now how do you think they will get ND Bakken oil to the pipeline?????? Trucks and rail tankers.... So, why not ship direct with rail. Anyway you look at it, trucks will move the oil here in ND. A very poor point in your argument.

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 6:18 PM

stateimpact . npr . org/texas/tag/keystone-xl-pipeline

A quote from the article...

"The Keystone Pipeline already exists. What doesn’t is its proposed expansion, the Keystone XL Pipeline. The existing one runs from oil sand fields in Alberta, Canada into the U.S., ending in Cushing, Oklahoma.

"The 1,700 new miles of pipeline would offer two sections of expansion. First, it would connect Cushing, Oklahoma, where there is a current bottleneck of oil, with the Gulf Coast of Texas, where oil refineries abound. Second, it would include a new section from Alberta to Kansas. It would pass through Bakken Shale region of eastern Montana and western North Dakota. Here, it will pass through a region where oil extraction is currently booming and take on some of this crude for transport.

"The specific states the line would travel through are Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas."

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 6:24 PM

cont. from stateimpact . npr

Another quote...

"In February 2012, TransCanada announced it intended go ahead with the southern section, which wouldn’t need a Presidential permit. TransCanada said on July 27, 2012 that they have all the permits they need for the southern section, which they call the “Gulf Coast Project.” Construction of the pipeline began in the fall of 2012."

Didn't the Pres. visit Cushing? Yes, he did.

From Reuters 3/22/2012

"Standing in front of a row of pipes, President Barack Obama pledged on Thursday to accelerate approval of the southern leg of the Keystone XL pipeline, seeking to deflect criticism that his rejection of the full project helped drive up gasoline prices.

"The campaign-style stop was immediately dismissed as a stunt by Republicans, saying that Obama doesn't have the authority to really jump start the project. Analysts say it won't likely be finished until 2014 at the earliest."

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 6:26 PM

cont. from stateimpact . npr

"One possible outcome is that TransCanada’s inability to continue construction until 2013 will pave the way for their main competitor, Enbridge, Inc. to create their own pipeline. Enbridge is in the process of developing a Northern Gateway Pipeline, which would connect Alberta’s tar sands with Kitimat, British Columbia on the Pacific Ocean. This pipeline would allow Canada to ship oil to Chinese refineries. Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper is in favor of the project if the Obama Administration rejects the Keystone XL pipeline."

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 6:29 PM

cont. from stateimpact . npr

"President Obama is not opposed altogether to the construction of the pipeline. On March 22 he endorsed the building of its southern half that begins in Cushing, Okla. – an important hub for petroleum processing and transportation – and ends at the refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast. Noting that there’s a bottleneck in Cushing of oil, coming in from places like the oil sands of Alberta and the Bakken Shale in North Dakota, the President said that he’s “directing my administration to cut through the red tape, break through the bureaucratic hurdles, and make this project a priority, to go ahead and get it done.”

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 6:40 PM

The stateimpact . npr article referenced "a bottleneck in Cushing of oil, coming in from places like the oil sands of Alberta and the Bakken Shale in North Dakota" through the existing Keystone Pipeline in eastern ND, I'd imagine. Baker, MT would be on the new pipeline's route. Closer to NW ND? Hmmm.

Yes, the trucks and rail cars will still be doing the lion's share of transporting oil in NW ND. OK, centerish, that one's "just for you."

In Mar. 2012, the President said in OK that he’s “directing my administration to cut through the red tape, break through the bureaucratic hurdles, and make this project a priority, to go ahead and get it done.”

Has anyone told Pres. Obama since then that there's an oil boom in ND? And that maybe, just perhaps, the actual jobs here might have exceeded some of the projections for the area?

"If you build it, they will come" is not just a line in a movie. Ask anyone in NW ND & now Minot.

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 6:56 PM

"...how do you think they will get ND Bakken oil to the pipeline?????? Trucks and rail tankers.... So, why not ship direct with rail."

If the issue is pollution or carbon footprint, I'd think that an additional enclosed pipeline might contribute to less a footprint than the amount of diesel-burning trucks and train engines needed to 1) keep transporting the oil to the one existing Keystone or 2) bypass the pipeline altogether to get it to its destination.

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 7:00 PM

H4C, I just quoted him. If what the President said is "questionable," that's not my fault.

Quoting his words makes that reference a "fact," doesn't it? That's what centerish wanted...

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locomotive

Mar-15-13 7:19 PM

"Just for you Loco. Have you ever checked the independent sites, the Canadian sites both ministry and oil, or the oil company sites and got information that was correct, I would be shocked."

As per my usual rebellious bent, I strayed from centerish's advice and visited a few lib sites for a take on the Keystone XL issue.

Wow, some are not very happy with the President and his current K XL stance, or lack thereof. It appears they would like him to "act like he won the election."

So that bipartisan thingy is out? Aww! And I was so hoping. Yeah, right.

Have a good evening all!

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centerfield

Mar-15-13 8:27 PM

So, you found an article! Good for you. Did you answer our question as to whether the Presidents comments were factual? NO!!! So, what did you accomplish with your repetitive dictation. Nothing that was not undisputed. The southern portion is not in dispute. Will there be permanent jobs on the upper XL and if so, how many? Will the refined product enter the US market....NO<NO>NO. Will the US benefit from the exportation of the finished product......NO:NO:NO. Do more research on the pipe they will be using for the line. Oh, a good article is on the Texas line they are currently putting in and all the leaks that are forthcoming. Obviously, none of you wingers have ever written a research paper. Answer the questions with facts and not some opinion article.

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centerfield

Mar-15-13 8:30 PM

Gosh, hope, your comprehension must be slipping. Loco stated that the liberal sites were for the pipeline. "Wow, some are not very happy with the President and his current K XL stance, or lack thereof." Did you not read that. Oh, that's right you already have the right wing party line down pat.

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MarkHighwater

Mar-16-13 5:38 AM

WHY should a president who was elected to his 2nd term by a electoral landslide,,(over a guy named Mitt who believes that 47 percent of Americans are freeloaders like himself),, listen to a freshman senator from ND,who belongs to the party that said the only thing to focus on is defeating this popular president in 2012...the GOP needs to get over it...THEY LOST again, and will continue to LOSE until the wounds of BUSH/CHENEY are healed.

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Independent

Mar-16-13 7:09 AM

Seems to me ND always willing to be Canada's patsy. Cases in point, Canadian grains subsidies hurting ND farmers, Canadian water mismanagement contributing to flooding, and now Canadian tar sands to route thru the U.S. mix with U.S. oil so it's even refinable. All I see is a loss of transport jobs for ND and more profits for Canada.

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Missy1

Mar-16-13 8:01 AM

Obama's approval ratings are down to 45% on Tuesday, down from 50% in December. I guess he is losing some of his followers.

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Missy1

Mar-16-13 8:10 AM

Obama refused to eat a Lobster dish at a GOP luncheon, because his "food taster" wasn't there to check it first. No wonder he can't make any decisions.

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muleskinner

Mar-16-13 8:38 AM

The projected tar sand oil production is predicted to be 2.2 million bpd. It's gotta go somewhere, so why not through the new Keystone XL?

One thing is for certain:

Bakken oil is in high demand. Outstrips the supply, the price of Bakken will become the benchmark for all others to follow. Demand rules the game. Makes Bakken oil leader of the pack. Game changer.

Who cares about tar sand oil up in Canada with transport as a major obstacle, hence the Keystone XL? Bakken oil is where its at these days.

Bakken oil will be here for more than four years.

Come January 2017, Obama has to go.

You can wait until then.

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muleskinner

Mar-16-13 9:57 AM

Duh

It will be a day that can't get here soon enough.

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centerfield

Mar-16-13 9:57 AM

Whaaaaat is this in the MDN News? A bigger rail loading facility in New Town? Well, well, that is certainly needed. Whose rail line is it??? Got to be Buffet's, right loco? Nope, Canadian Pacific!!! I wonder what direction that oil might flow. It will be a long time before the Bakken oil becomes the benchmark. Texas crude will be kept the benchmark for many reasons least of all is the Shale oil play beginning in Texas. Oh, one more thing... You righties need to do more research on the Canadian oil lines going west in Canada. It won't happen. They need to refine their own garbage oil. Just another political decision that has been brought and paid for. I have to chuckle about the latest Bakken report that is floating around. This last report, that was supposed to be independent, said the XL is inevitable and needed. The company that made the report, just happens to work for a bunch of huge oil companies. Who would have thunk?????

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