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The war on coal continues

March 12, 2013

The good news about Ernest Moniz, President Barack Obama’s nominee to become secretary of energy, is that he seems bullish about natural gas....

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EarlyBird

Mar-12-13 8:15 AM

We can see what is coming our way so what are we going to do? If we do what we always do (nothing) we will soon be adding another 10% to our electric cost. It won't be long and the forests will be full of people gathering wood again, I better get into the wood stove business.

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muleskinner

Mar-12-13 8:58 AM

The complaint against the anti-coal advocates is that they are not using sound science to promote their agenda.

NG good, wind good, coal bad. That's all you'll hear.

The decision making has production tax credits and political haggling to make it look good on paper.

Windmills have long been considered to produce energy. The science behind wind power is being ignored, because the science says it can't work. Very inefficient power source and is standing in the way of real energy development.

When the oil crisis hit in the early to mid-seventies, coal was the darling to solve the energy shortages back then. Now, coal is of no use.

All of that 'dirty' energy is used to make the wind towers to produce 'clean' energy. Wind power is 'clean'. Sure it is.

It will take millions of wind towers to replace coal. It can't be done.

What is needed is a 'war on wind power'. It can't begin soon enough.

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muleskinner

Mar-12-13 9:03 AM

And, it is those 'production tax credits' that are to blame for the increases in electric rates. Those increases line the pockets of those who promote useless wind power production.

The ratepayer gets hosed.

Coal is by far and away the winner, it is just getting a bad rap. Why? Because there is money in wind power developments, not energy production. Wind power will never replace coal. Wind power doesn't work, bilking ratepayers does.

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Worldview

Mar-12-13 11:08 AM

Coal is losing to Natural Gas, not Wind and Solar.

Leave it in the ground. It is future resource and we can mitigate the bad aspects with technology in the future. It is not going anywhere and is like money in the bank. Or black gold if you prefer.

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Worldview

Mar-12-13 11:14 AM

Regarding China's use of coal, well if you have ever been there, than you know they have real issues with pollution. If you can choke your way through a day in Bejing or Shanghai than you may like it, but most people who have a choice when they are there know they need to get out fast. So to quote China as polluter worse than us is true, but does not support the argument for coal by any means.

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Worldview

Mar-12-13 12:11 PM

Looked for something to respond to on the subject from the last two comments. Will keep trying.

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Worldview

Mar-12-13 12:15 PM

Natural Gas is going to make the USA increasingly more competitive and is and advantage only we have. Shale drilling is included in this because as an economic response it is not a tax. It is revenue and it satisfies partial though, not all enviornmental concerns.

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Worldview

Mar-12-13 12:19 PM

We should not wait 25 years. If we can go to the moon in 10 years when there was not a color television than I expect we can do a lot more yet with energy. 25 years would be a maximum I think for getting it together but may be as you indicate realistic. Infrastructure is a will not an obstacale..

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EarlyBird

Mar-12-13 4:40 PM

Worldview, I like what you say but dislike what you don't say. There is not enough coal seam natural gas to even take into consideration in comparison to the amounts of energy produced by coal. Another not mentioned problem is to get the natural gas out of the coal it still has to be mined and processed and that my friend is one step forward and two steps back. The ND oil fields alone do not have the daily volume of NG needed either so I can see only worse problems and higher prices to pay for them.

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subman

Mar-12-13 5:44 PM

Coal is KING... about 55% of our nations electricity comes from coal... not much at all from wind...less than 5% nuclear, gas, oil hydo, geothermal etc make up the rest. take away coal we go in the black, period. All wind does is destabilize the electric grid as it isn't constant so some base loaded plant has to continually chase the effects of the modulating load caused by the fluctuating wind. the best way to fix this problem is to just cut all the government money going into renewables. when they become profitable on their own someone will bring them back. Until then let them die.

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rajiihammr

Mar-13-13 9:43 PM

Coal shmoal.

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rajiihammr

Mar-13-13 9:54 PM

Graphene supercapacitors boys and girls, graphene supercapacitors.

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locomotive

Mar-14-13 7:35 AM

"...just cut all the government money going into renewables. when they become profitable on their own someone will bring them back. Until then let them die."

Agreed, subman.

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locomotive

Mar-14-13 7:42 AM

And now for...

The Orwellian Newspeak

"Tip o' the Day to Ya"

Progressive...Always Good, Noble & Kind

Republican...Are You !%&#@ Kidding Me?

Democrat...I Wannabe a Progressive Tooo

Thank Goodness It's Thursday

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ProgressiveLiberal

Mar-16-13 10:53 PM

Just like clockwork, MDN's weekly "Obama's war on coal" editorial. Just a broken record with nothing new to say.

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ProgressiveLiberal

Mar-17-13 7:43 PM

Hope4Change, just keeping track as North Dakota attempts to be the most backwards state in the country, taking first place away from Mississippi.

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locomotive

Mar-20-13 4:29 PM

"Backwards" according to PL's definition, naturally.

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