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Save lives, end abortion

March 10, 2013

Dorothy Steffen, Minot Sometime ago I was driving behind a man who was wearing a huge cowboy hat. On the cowboy’s bumper sticker were the words “When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have the....

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locomotive

Mar-20-13 12:39 PM

Thanks, angeR. Always enjoy your posts.

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muleskinner

Mar-20-13 9:11 AM

Placental Expanded Cells, PLX. It's a business now, aborted fetal cells are marketed these days.

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subman

Mar-20-13 7:15 AM

funny how these lefties like to label everything nasty right wing when in fact most of it is LEFT WING... but as their great mentor Goebbels used to say if you tell a lie often enough after awhile people believe it... and if you tell a big enough one they'll believe that too.

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angeR69

Mar-20-13 12:48 AM

"To deems the practice of abortion as healthcare at first seems innocuous and unpresuming, but as the issue is addressed scientifically and then morally, it is actually one person taking the life of another. Period."

Well said Loco. Simple. Concise. The moral truth staring us right in the face, and the haters will never get it.

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locomotive

Mar-19-13 11:04 AM

cpac, shmepac

So all liberals in their entirety speak for you, billgrr? There are no differences in liberals? You are all in lockstep together?

Give people a little credit for their individual minds.

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locomotive

Mar-19-13 11:02 AM

To deems the practice of abortion as healthcare at first seems innocuous and unpresuming, but as the issue is addressed scientifically and then morally, it is actually one person taking the life of another. Period.

That's not healthcare. That's deathcare. For the baby. Should we as a society be OK with that? And why?

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locomotive

Mar-18-13 3:38 PM

"Racism, slavery, fascism, greed, corporatism, pro-war, pro-violence, pro-death, anti-environment, pro-destruction, anti-labor, and anti-women was, is, and always will be right wing ideas, whether it is from the Democratic or Republican party."

Generalities abound in this post. Somehow, progressives have no historical taint. Well, if that's all it takes to make them happy, OK. I hereby absolve all progressives of any culpability in history, period. That was a staples moment: easy.

I am a woman, I am anti-abortion. That would make me a regressive, according to those whom I would have to define as rabidly progressive. Here's where I would say regression is good. For the babies anyway.

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locomotive

Mar-18-13 12:30 PM

If modern-day Dems and libs want to distance themselves from easily proven Democrat party members' history, I guess I don't blame them.

It appears that glossing over the historical accounts by a mere statement works well for some. Sure, the modern party "ditched the right wing conservative wing of its party decades ago" because Now is what matters, not Then.

So if that's true, that Now matters more than Then, then Pres. Bush's legacy can't amount to a hill of beans Now. Because if we want to, we are able to ditch him, no matter how the Dems want to attach him to everything the Republicans are doing now, right?

Consider it done. Whoever liked albatrosses anyway?

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locomotive

Mar-17-13 7:58 PM

cont...

"Unfortunately, as well intended as Lenin's promises might have been, they proved disastrous...there was no extra food. Without private land ownership, farmers began to grow just enough produce for themselves...also no jobs to be had. Without (WWI) to support, factories no longer had vast orders to fill.

"In June 1918, Russia broke out in civil war. It was the Whites (those against the Soviets, which included monarchists, liberals, and other socialists) against the Reds (the Bolshevik regime).

"The Civil War lasted over two years and was bloody, brutal, and cruel. The Reds won but at the expense of millions of people killed.

"The Russian Civil War dramatically changed the fabric of Russia. The moderates were gone.

"(Joseph Stalin, a Bolshevik) subsequently managed to consolidate power following the 1924 death of Vladimir Lenin through expanding the functions of his role, all the while eliminating any opposition."

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locomotive

Mar-17-13 7:45 PM

"By definition, conservative means to stay the same, progressive and liberal means to move forward, and regressive means to go backwards."

I thought of 2 examples of progressives in history...

French Revolution: the aristocrats wanted life to remain the same, the progressives (Liberty, Equality, Fraternity) were willing to let heads roll in order to change the system.

USSR: Feb. 1917, the czar abdicated, then two groups emerged, the Duma (middle & upperclass) & the Petrograd Soviet (workers & soldiers). The Duma ran the provisional gov't & Lenin returned to Russia. Oct 1917: "after nearly a bloodless coup, the Bolsheviks were the new leaders of Russia. Nearly immediately, Lenin announced that the new regime would end the war, abolish all private land ownership, and would create a system for workers' control of factories."

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subman

Mar-17-13 2:25 PM

7) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (1950): Hiss, who helped advise FDR at Yalta and was strongly defended by the Left, turned out to be a Soviet spy 8) The Bay of Pigs (1961): After training a Cuban militia to overthrow Castro, Kennedy got cold feet and didn't give the men all the air support they were promised 9) Democrats Deliver South Vietnam To The North (1975): "In 1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam, the left wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South Vietnam, 10) Bill Clinton turns down Osama Bin Laden (1996 Bill Clinton turned down Sudan’s offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in 1996 Had Bill Clinton accepted Sudan's offer, 9/11 would have likely never happened.

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subman

Mar-17-13 2:24 PM

1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President, Andrew Jackson herded Indians into camps, burned and pillaged their homes and forced them to relocate 2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by seceding, which led to the Civil War 3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK. 4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor." 5) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching A Federal Crime (1922): "The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer’s (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure." 6) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order 7) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (

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angeR69

Mar-17-13 12:35 AM

BillGarr. So I'm supposed to supply you with what? Did you just assign me some homework? You might be waiting a while to get that. I hope you don't mind, teach.

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angeR69

Mar-16-13 8:52 PM

NoTea, If you care to challenge yourself and learn some accurate history regarding Civil War era politics, pick up and read a book called "Jesse James: Last Rebel of the Civil War" by T.J. Stiles. The book, although it revolves primarily around the life of outlaw Jesse James, is packed with information about the political culture of the times, and the origin of the Republican party.

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angeR69

Mar-16-13 8:28 PM

Good work loco. One thing for sure. If we ever have a social awakening in this country regarding abortion, 50 years down the road there will be several of these liberal revisionists taking credit for ending the scourge of abortion. But then it doesn't really matter who gets credit, just as long as we end it.

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 8:05 PM

I googled the "wrong side of history" phrase and came up with this site:

addictinginfo . org/2012/05/11/conservatives-always-on-the-wrong-side-of-history/

"Yes. It is exhausting to live among whiny children sporting “Made in China” American flag lapel pins, working incessantly to devolve this nation into the antithesis of a free society – simply because they can’t handle the “freedom” they pretend to love.

"So, as the President himself joins the rest of the civilized world and “evolves” to the notion that all people deserve the freedom to build a life and contract with the partner of their choosing, the conservatives dig their heals in deeper, once again on the wrong side of history.

"We all must continue to evolve – without them."

This is REAL warmth & fuzziness - with them.

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 8:04 PM

"Right wing conservatives have usually been on the wrong side of history whether they were Democrats or Republicans."

So, in trying to follow this statement, the "right wing conservatives" of the American Revolution would have been the Tories, the loyalist Brits?

Or would they have been the Whigs, the Patriots, who won independence from Britain?

I guess all one has to do is remember the mantra...

Progressive = Always Good, Noble & Kind

Conservative = Always Bad, Sinister & Mean

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 4:13 PM

Selective interpretation, leading to revisionism, is OK, as long as you are a Democrat.

House Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)

Senate Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)

Those are pretty big numbers for Southern Democrats against the Civil Rights Bill: 93% in the House and 95% in the Senate?

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 4:08 PM

"Same exact mistake in the Southern Republicans line: "0–1 (0–100%)"

Sorry, this wasn't a mistake, if Sen. Tower was the only Republican from the South who voted against the bill.

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 4:01 PM

In addition to congresslink article, I found two more sources.

"Democratic bigots" by Jake Tapper, July 17, 2000 archive . salon . com/politics/feature/2000/07/17/rights/

The Congressional Quarterly of June 26, 1964 5ldgop . org/new_page_3

And I also found NoTea's percentages, cited in a blog somewhere. Same exact mistake in the Southern Republicans line:

"0–1 (0–100%)"

The 3 articles I found had names, dates & history of the act's passage, as well as accurate vote tallies, including details of the Senate's filibuster & cloture vote.

Hmm. Trio or warm fuzzies? No contest.

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 3:48 PM

cont. congresslink article...

"The Democratic leadership and Humphrey could not control the southern wing of the party."

"The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes."

"On June 17, the Senate voted by a 76 to 18 margin to adopt the bipartisan substitute worked out by Dirksen in his office in May and to give the bill its third reading. Two days later, the Senate passed the bill by a 73 to 27 roll call vote. Six Republicans and 21 Democrats held firm and voted against passage."

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 3:45 PM

cont. congresslink article...

Senate vote

"When the House-passed bill reached the Senate floor in March 1964, three groups of senators formed: pro-civil rights Democrats, southern Democrats opposed to the bill, and Republicans. Senator Hubert H. Humphrey led the Democrats who supported the bill and worked actively for its passage."

"Senator Richard Russell, Democrat from Georgia, led the so-called opposition forces. The group was also known as the "southern bloc." It was composed of eighteen southern Democrats and one Republican, John Tower of Texas. Although a hopeless minority, the group exerted much influence because Senate rules virtually guaranteed unlimited debate unless it was ended by cloture. The "southern bloc" relied on the filibuster to postpone the legislation as long as possible, hoping that support for civil rights legislation throughout the country would falter. The Democratic leadership and Humphrey could not control the southern

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 3:40 PM

"Major Features of the Civil Rights Act of 1964"

congresslink . org/civil/essay

House of Representatives vote

"Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. It is interesting to note that Democrats from northern states voted overwhelmingly for the bill, 141 to 4, while Democrats from southern states voted overwhelmingly against the bill, 92 to 11. A bipartisan coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats was the key to the bill's success."

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locomotive

Mar-16-13 1:09 PM

Selective revisionism is OK, as long as you are a Democrat.

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subman

Mar-16-13 12:25 PM

the civil rights act was passed by Republicans and opposed by democrats even if a Dem signed it as president...

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