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Saving the Postal Service

March 3, 2013

Russ Keller, Minot The U.S. Postal Service has problems and issues, however the problem is not financial, it is congressional....

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centerfield

Mar-03-13 12:10 PM

Let me see: You can look up the law passed by congress. You can lookup the financial statistics on the Post Office clear back to where ever you want to look it up. You can find facts that point the finger of blame on this debacle to the Republican congress for passing such a stupid law. But, you cannot blame the "government" for this because it was done by Republicans. Blame the Republicans... Until they intervened in the Post Office, it was efficient and cost effective.

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locomotive

Mar-03-13 5:51 PM

"H.R. 6407 (109th): Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act"

"Title VIII - Postal Service Retirement and Health Benefits Funding"

Co-sponsors: Danny Davis (D-IL), John McHugh (R-NY), Henry Waxman (D-CA)

That's right: 1 R and 2 Ds

The Votes:

"Dec 8, 2006: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by voice vote. A record of each representative’s position was not kept."

"Dec 9, 2006: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each senator’s position was not kept."

So I'm not seeing that this was a "Republican" bill, but clearly a "bipartisan" bill, with both Dems and Reps voting in favor of it, with Pres. Bush signing it into law.

Hindsight is 20-20. Blaming it on one half of the equation is like Adam telling God "it's this woman you gave me." Didn't work then either.

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taylor81

Mar-03-13 8:46 PM

Most future Postal employees will be funding their own retirement with USPS contributing 5%. The overpayment of funds to our retirement is GONE. Of course Congress doesn't want the to change anything about the Postal Accountablitly Act, The Postal Service is one of the only that does not receive federal funds or taxpayer money. That overpayment has been spent along time ago. When the Postal Service is eventually privatized and the public pays outrageous prices to have their mail and packages delivered to the middle of nowhere it will be too late to save.

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centerfield

Mar-03-13 10:11 PM

The original bill had only one sponsor- a lame duck guy named Davis. He was leaving congress the next month. It was passed in a lame duck session just before the Republicans were to lose their majorities in both houses. At the time it was : House 233/202 and the Senate 55/44 to the Republicans favor. They had a couple of Dems and some independents come over in the Senate to make it veto proof. Thus, their was no need for a role call vote and they all could cover their rears. It was similar to the repeal of the Glass-Steagal which was a Republican bonehead play with some democrats (Clinton)supporting. The Play was definitely Republican as the money flowed from the lobbys and the privatization of the post office was started. UPS and Fed ex contributed heavily as did the banks. Get ready to pay a couple bucks a letter if it goes thru.

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locomotive

Mar-03-13 10:29 PM

centerish, your research seems a little selective.

Just sayin'

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postalwidow

Mar-04-13 6:33 AM

Thank you Mr Keller, ironicaly the date this letter made it online is a date of my oldest daughters birthday, and in march 3, 2006 was the date that my postal letter spouse in bottineau recieved his orders due to one retirement in the office, it is also the date of the injury taking place to his fellow coworker a part time flexible moving up in rank to full time regular who got a permanent back injury , in may of 2006 he also got non replacement due to attrition due to the paea, or overpayment of retirment and one new law making the usps pay in billions for prefunding with retirment funds already fully funded and overfunded.For over 10 months he fought thru his union for help, and finally got new help in, at that point, but ironically got denied a supreme court memorandum on the injured, illigally and removal of a newly trained casual, worked short handed for food drive 2007 once again and died in may 2007, exactly a year after orders of non replacment.

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postalwidow

Mar-04-13 6:39 AM

over the 5 years since the death of my postal letter carrier spouse , I had the opportunity to research the matter, so here are links which are worth looking through for information on the USPS, free to anyone to read. amazon**** ( search inside this book ) or free goggle books****, The Post Office, its past record, its present condition, it potential relation to the new world era, Daniel Calhoun Roper, chairperson of the United States Tarrif Commision, and First Assistant Post Master General, 1913-1917. In 1917, congress was ignoring the plight of postal workers and they went to dc to protest working conditions, collective bargaining was formed. In 1970 the great postal strike took place nation wide due to the fact congress was ignoring the plight of postal workers, most who were working 3 jobs to survive or on welfare while working for the USPO, thus the strike, re enforcing collective bargaining rights but taking away the right to strike .

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postalwidow

Mar-04-13 6:45 AM

Accordind to Nalc legislative fact sheet circa 2003, postal letter carriers and other craft members were made to pay in an extra 15 percent to their retirment systems under the 1997 budget reconciliation act, for budget reasons only. This was a tax increase while others were getting tax cuts, thus the overpayment to fers and csrs, by billions of dollars, fers by 15 billion and csra by 140 billion. The increase was removed in 2002 out of the presidents budget. Then in 2003 new postal legislation began, eventually leading to the Postal Accountiblity Enhancement Act , which gave pay per performance bonuess to the top 13 in the USPS including pmg potter at that time of a 72 thousand a year increase, effectively doubling his salary and benifts over that of the Presidents to about 800,000 a year, and then gave him a retirment of 5.5 million ( anually) while most postal employees work for 20 to 30 years and get a retirement of $1,500 a month supplmenting social security.

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postalwidow

Mar-04-13 6:50 AM

retirement for postal workers then means a cut in pay, plus having to pay medical. Go to AWPU 3800, first area tricounty local, PA, library, read stress in the workplace articals, on " How the ongoing violation of the USPS guiding principals are creating a toxic work environment. " go to w****billburrasjournal****- misc, online in search and scroll down the elevator page to read ' phoney excuses for diverting usps revenues ' and ' myths versus facts', go to search type in ALEC/Koch Cabal the Privitization of USPS for Ups and FedEX, by bob sloan, vltp****, april 2012, go to Examiner**** , Tim McCown artical in archives, read behind all the schemes and lies of the privitization of USPS ", Go to Michigan American Postal Workers Union and look up the truth about the postal crisis, then go to ****savethepostoffice****

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postalwidow

Mar-04-13 7:08 AM

non replacement of attrition or retirees is ongoing within the usps, due to the paea, such is the case of the Senior letter Carrier Nalc Steward former USMC in may 2006 , legally making him the only letter carrier for over 10 months, most dont know that the us labor dept which protects health and safety on the job is in charge of the USPS, and it is still suggested by the current pmg that reduction in the letter carrier and other crafts take place due to attrition or retirment meanwhile all postal retirment funds are overfunded, with a combination of the paea is currently stands at around 202 billion dollars.

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EarlyBird

Mar-04-13 7:39 AM

I'm pretty sure the people who are most concerned with saving the Postal Service are the people who work for the Postal Service or are receiving retirement from the Postal Service.

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centerfield

Mar-04-13 8:07 AM

If any factual presentation was selective, yours certainly was. Davis (R) was the original sole sponsor and the other two were added after. I think that is very relevant. The fact that it was passed in a Lame Duck session was also important. (very little usually passes in a lame duck--look at what the Republicans did this last session.nothing.. by the way, where is that darn farm bill/and others) It is not selective to note that the Republicans have stated that they want to privatize the post office as privatize other areas. Is it always selective when it does not agree completely with your post/view?

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centerfield

Mar-04-13 9:02 AM

No wonder you have a handle that you don't get it. Everyone, and I mean everyone who has reviewed the facts, knows that the Republican sponsored bill created this mess. We all know what the internet is doing to expand their financial problem, but the needless bill did the damage. "You really don't get it." Of course, paying an extra five billion dollars out each year to this senseless bill has the most effect.

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locomotive

Mar-04-13 10:59 AM

"Is it always selective when it does not agree completely with your post/view?"

If that shoe fits, you could wear it too.

Comes in all sizes...

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locomotive

Mar-04-13 11:03 AM

centerfield: "Davis (R) was the original sole sponsor and the other two were added after."

also: "Republican sponsored bill"

So Waxman and Davis are now Republicans? Tell that to their constituents in CA and IL.

Better google it again.

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postalwidow

Mar-05-13 5:40 AM

up until 2004, labor costs with testimony before congressional committees were estimated by the leading economic professor to only 56.8 percent not the 80 percent even talked about today, the attack on the USPS is an attack on the Constitution of the United States, if allowed to go forward unprotested across this land, and the Consitution is broken, then what Nation Under God , are we the people living for or in? If you think this is just about union people then think again, this is about all of American and Postal System that binds that together as the original founding fathers planned, this is also an attack on human rights, no longer polarized by poltical parties, when there is non replacement of attrition, basically that is a breaking of us labor lawas, which is stated to be the fair labor standard act.

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postalwidow

Mar-05-13 5:44 AM

the fair labor standards act was passed to protect people on the job, in America there are no laws protecting Adult workers on the job unless you do have a union contract. There are only laws protecting children and that has been tried to be repealed in florida. One 40 hour work week in the USPS, add on one retirement thats another 40 hours added on, add on one more and its part time thats another 25 hours, this was the orders recieved by my postal letter spouse, 65 more hours a week for over 10 months, without staff replacement.

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postalwidow

Mar-05-13 5:48 AM

the attack on the USPS workers is because they made the biggest profit in 2006, that was legislated away in a new retirment system placing it in escrow when overpayment or paid in full retirment accounts already existed for the workers. The attack was politically motivated for profit corporations like fedex and ups who want more of the profits. This was lobbied for over 10 years in order to destroy the constitutional service, what is the next goverment agency that should be sold off by congress to the highest bidder, the department of defense maybe to the very ones that attacked on 911, get the concept of what is going on with the USPS and then state back it only has to do with unions or its workers.

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centerfield

Mar-06-13 12:26 PM

Loco, some of your thoughts are correct and so are mine. I stand behind the fact that it was a Republican pushed event. But, the original bill was present in 2004 and was sponsored by Dems and in that light, Waxman and others. That bill stalled right up until that last dog was hung in December of 2006. Actually, it was the last hour of the lame duck session and the original bill of 2004 was amended with the health care retirement payment added to the program. The bill was presented and sponsored by Tom Davis, R- WV. who was retiring at the end of that session. He actually named the bill as well since he was the chairman of the committee that approved the bill. As to the co-sponsors and vote, it is the same as the Glass-Steagall debacle. I wonder if the reason for the non roll call had to do with the bill being passed in the middle of the night, immediately before adjournment of the Senate.

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centerfield

Mar-06-13 12:32 PM

Conti: That being said, the congress could fix the problem except that the Republicans don't want to. The Republicans want to privatize the Post Office. Could it be reformed? Could the retirement payments be adjusted? Does anyone want to do that? Yep, Yep, and Yep. Except for:" The US Postal Service could avoid closings, firings, and cutbacks if the Chair of the House Government Reform Committee would stop blocking a bipartisan bill sponsored by 229 members that gives the Post Office the same 20-30 year pension pre-pay funding requirements as other federal agencies, instead of a Bush-signed bill that requires a 75 year prepayment leaving the Post Office with massive debt." That guy is Darrell Issa, the richest man in Congress, a Republican, and one of the main pushers of privatization of everything. Oh, and a real dandy of a person with little ethics or integrity.

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locomotive

Mar-06-13 2:55 PM

centerfield, all I searched for was the "H.R. 6407 (109th): Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act" and I posted the info I found, that the following Representatives were "Co-sponsors: Danny Davis (D-IL), John McHugh (R-NY), Henry Waxman (D-CA)."

I didn't find any info confirming this "Tom Davis, R- WV." If you would be so kind as to provide a source, I'd look it up.

As far as the political reality of bills being passed far into the night, I'm well aware that it happens. I recall one bill passed by the Senate on Dec. 24, 2010, after a rough 70% of NoDaks seemed to be against its passage. Thanks, Sens. Conrad & Dorgan, but y'know, ain't politics grand?

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centerfield

Mar-06-13 5:01 PM

The source came from the library of Congress- from an area called govtrack.us ***********govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr6407#summary/libraryofcongress Have fun. As to that other bill you are talking about... one question: was the Senate about to change from one party's majority to another? That is what happened with this one. What is the problem with Issa? Got an answer to that one.

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centerfield

Mar-06-13 9:06 PM

Its is called obstructionism disease and the Republicans have it. Can you count how many filibusters they have used. More than the composite totals in the history of our country. And as for Issa, he is one of the many low lifers who wants to privatize everything. You would not understand that with your ptsd from the war.

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centerfield

Mar-07-13 11:54 PM

Yep, doesn't get it... That is what you losers always say. But, you always have Bush to put on a pedestal. You know, that intellectual fool that the party now runs from and is in hiding) His favorite saying: fool me once and ah,ah,ah.... well, don't fool me again...

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seriously

Mar-09-13 10:32 PM

The reason the Post office is broke is because they have stupid rules/regs that waste money. I live in the town of Sawyer 2 blocks from the PO. People 1 block from the PO get mail delivered because theya are on an already established route. I cannot because the driver would have to go off the path by 1 block. I can not. I have a physical address for UPS/Fedex packages but must use my PO box to get any letters delivered or they will be returned to the sender as undeliverable even though the Post mistress knows that my physical address goes with my PO box. She decides which letters she wants to allow to go into the PO box and which she sends back. Our W2s, checks and other bills were sent back but junk mail that was addressed to the physical address was put in the box. How expensive to send back to sender and have all the touches instead of just put it in the PO box when you know where it goes. STUPID and a Waste of money.

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