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Democrats anti-business

March 3, 2013

Patrick Finken, Bismarck Democrats in the North Dakota Legislature are chafing at the idea that Republicans want to cut income taxes for business....

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obertc

Mar-12-13 9:41 AM

Conclusions Dusty ... no one party has a claim that they are not overspending. President Clinton did bring spending finally under control, however after events of 9/11 and the sore condition of our military equipment, drastic increases in defense spending was needed. Am I saying there's not waste in defense spending ... no, I believe there's waste in every govt program. Plus when a contractor says that if you want the F-35, that'll be $137M for one airframe, or $2B if you want this A/C Carrier you have greed and corruption. Spending in Education in FY12 was $822.8B and the current crop of kids are still lacking in basic skills. They can take the SAT as many times as they want, then submit whichever score they want to the particular college, due to a 2008 change.

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obertc

Mar-11-13 3:53 PM

Forgot to say my sources. Total govt employee from the Congressional Budget Office website and the total govt spending from usgovernmentspending dot com, which has the govt totals going back to 1794

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obertc

Mar-11-13 3:19 PM

Just to throw in some comparisons on total govt spending and where it went. They're all Presidents, so with no disrespect, I'll leave off the title to each. 1980, Carter 4,984,000 Govt employees, $940.2B budget. $167.9B (18%) Defense and $100.5B (9%) Welfare. 1988, Reagan 4,568,000 employees. $1.77T. $530.2B (19%) Defense and $152B (9%) Welfare. 1992, H.W. Bush 5,152,000 employees $2.35T. $348.6B (15%) Defense $253B (11%) Welfare. 2000, Clinton 4,362,000 employees $3.24T. $358.9B (11%) Defense. $293.5B (9%) Welfare. 2008, H. Bush 4,161,000 employees $5.34T. $730.7B (14%) Defense. $497.4B (9%) Welfare. 2012, Obama 4,425,000 employees $6.23T. $903.2B (14%) Defense. $697.5B (11%) Welfare. The biggest increase was Pensions. This went from $143.3B in 1980 to $1.05T in 2012.

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locomotive

Mar-11-13 9:55 AM

"Thus, you 2009 thingy was from the previous dude..."

So THAT'S why there's been no budget. They can keep blaming "the previous dude."

This is Pres. Obama's second term, so he is now the "previous administration" of 2009-2013. (I didn't say "dude" out of respect for his office. See how that's done?)

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centerfield

Mar-11-13 12:39 AM

Bill will never get it. Under the budgeting process, the first year of a Presidency is run under the policies and budget of the previous President. Thus, you 2009 thingy was from the previous dude... You still don't know a thing.

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locomotive

Mar-10-13 11:23 PM

Veritas, if only your posts connected to themselves somehow.

Paper or plastic what? Dolls? Hats? Dollars? Moons?

Oh, I get it. You were trying to be clever. Emphasis on "trying."

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locomotive

Mar-10-13 9:55 PM

Veritas, I've seen enough lib rhetoric to fill a barn big enough for a three-headed elephant. It's called "talking points" and I think it's past time for libs to acknowledge that they have some of their own.

I can't help it that my particular dose of rhetoric is not to your taste. As far as proof, if I've got the time to research your sources, I'll do it. But excuse me if I stray off the path you've set out for me and all us non-libbers. Still a free country, and boy, that internet highway is a biggie.

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locomotive

Mar-10-13 5:23 PM

DustOff3, I'm locomotive and I approve of your laundry list.

:-)

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locomotive

Mar-10-13 5:22 PM

The only reason I posted Veritas' source is this: a fellow lefty, centerish, always says any point a non-lib makes is from Fox News et al. So I thought I'd out the source for Veritas' point.

All my post proved is that perhaps, just perhaps, many lefties get their info from, shall we say, non-neutral sources?

Now go ahead and prove that my points in general were specifically lifted from Fox et al. Can't do it.

Sorry my little jab was interpreted as nuclear warfare. And if the message is sound, it'll stand, Veritas.

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centerfield

Mar-10-13 11:14 AM

So, loco, you write to discredit where Veritas gets his information? Interesting...How about Forbes Magazine as a source for his information. Check the May 24th, 2012 issue and it also states similar information. Also, scroll down the comments below this article about four or five comments for even more information. I realize that it hurts to find that your beliefs are shattered on this issue by factual data, but tuff it out. We need you here. Veritas was also correct on the advice for you to google it as it is out there from numerous sources. Well, not Fox News, fair and unbalanced.

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locomotive

Mar-09-13 6:44 PM

Veritas' source: ThinkProgress . org

"ThinkProgress was voted “Best Liberal Blog” in the 2006 Weblog Awards and chosen as an Official Honoree in the 2009 and 2012 Webby awards."

"Think Progress is a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund."

The Center for American Progress Action Fund's sister organization is the Center for American Progress, which is "an independent nonpartisan educational institute dedicated to improving the lives of Americans through progressive ideas and action."

Well, at least it ain't Fox News, right?

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locomotive

Mar-08-13 12:40 PM

(cont...)

Our family: middle class & Republican. We're an anomaly only to leftists. Fine & dandy.

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locomotive

Mar-08-13 12:39 PM

"Maybe loco, you should speak with the small ND businessman who sees huge tax breaks going to the big corporations..."

Uh, we're a ND small business. The fact that bigger businesses in ND get a proportionately bigger tax break doesn't concern us as much as it concerns you. Are you involved in a ND small business, or are you just a cheerleader against "mean ol' Republicans" no matter the issue?

And if you didn't know, NW ND has had a plethora of out-of-state Small Businesses coming here, working to send most of their earnings back home. Some don't even pay taxes here. Are you "concerned" about them?

"Typical Republican, ignore the middle class, give your all to the rich and big corporations but keep Fox news churning out the garbage..."

Your charge of "Fox news" is way, way off in left field. I don't have cable and don't watch Fox news. Prove that I'm lying, centerish.

Our family: middle class & Republican. We're an

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centerfield

Mar-08-13 10:34 AM

OMG, the God of the right wing, Ronnie Reagan is brought up again. You better check the records before you babble. Reagan increase the size of government during his tenure. His claim to fame was allowing companies to outsource jobs out of the country so he could try to bust Unions. That is the Ronnie known to the Historians. What is the Republican record to help advance our country... Lets just look that up-- 300+ clotures and around 400 plus filibusters including two this week. Yep, you can accomplish a lot with one political party obstructing all the time. Great historical record for you guys. What a great way to justify giving Wallmart kudos... You don't know anything. Wallmart- low wages, part time help, treats their people poorly financially, buys all their goods overseas..... and that is who you support over the local ND business man.... Typical right wing stupidity.

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centerfield

Mar-07-13 11:51 PM

You still don't get it, do ya... Wars, lies, pharma giveaways, tax gift to the uber rich, wild spending, turning wall street lose with no regulations. Yep, you got lots to talk about. It is your heritage. Your political party.

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centerfield

Mar-07-13 11:47 PM

Maybe loco, you should speak with the small ND businessman who sees huge tax breaks going to the big corporations and little coming to them. I am sure they will completely agree with you that 30-40 million going out of state is good for them. Looks like the Reagan philosophy of outsourcing jobs to foreign countries has come down to sending tax money out of state. Oh, and if you looked up the facts on this subject, maybe you could speak with a little more intelligence. So, what has your diatribe have to do with the Republicans giving the big tax breaks to Wallmart and others. Typical Republican, ignore the middle class, give your all to the rich and big corporations but keep Fox news churning out the garbage to keep the kool aide drinkers like you guys spouting the garbage.

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locomotive

Mar-07-13 5:44 PM

What do I consider a business- friendly state? A little less in levied corporate taxes than the "progressive" states, so that when they're considering leaving their high-tax states, they might consider coming here to the Great Plains instead.

But, there are trade-offs. #1) Businesses will have to accept the reality of our state's rural status and heritage. #2) Workers also have to accept (you guessed it) the reality of our state's rural status and heritage. But once #1-2 are acknowledged, ND has many benefits for business: a hard-working, usually better-educated workforce & a quality of life unlike an urban metropolis--that's not all bad, y'know.

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locomotive

Mar-07-13 5:36 PM

I know that hogwash can be Democratic (notice the PC spelling) as well as Republican, but centerfield doesn't have as broad a view of hogwash as I do.

Too bad. And so much for "center." It's looking more like "left" all the time.

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centerfield

Mar-07-13 1:15 PM

Come on, loco, you can do better than that. If we are going to give tax breaks to businesses, then lets give it to the ones who need it the most. Those ten corporations from out of state who will receive millions from this bad bill, had a profit last year of over 3.5 Billion dollars. But you would rather give them an extra 30 million or so instead of spreading it out among the smaller ND based businesses? Would it not be a better business climate in ND if you helped these small businesses out a little more? You really don't believe what you wrote that it is a good business climate to pass over the little guys... Republican hogwash.

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locomotive

Mar-07-13 11:58 AM

centerfield, if I even begin to "look foolish," I'm sure you'll be one of the first to let me know. Thanks ever so.

Yeah, those big, bad Reps (never, ever Dems - I get it) and all their mean, nasty policies/politics are sooooo "unfair" here in ND, even if many are RINOs, like disgusted says.

Yes, I haven't read the bill in its minute entirety, but I'm willing to say that overall, I support a business-friendly state as opposed to a state less business-friendly. CA comes to mind just now.

I appreciate living in an economy where there are jobs to be filled. Of course, the "devil's in the details" with any proposed taxes, but we will count on you, center, to inform us of any "injustices" (read: class envy) in the proposals.

Now if you think that treating businesses here like they do in CA et al (huge taxes, etc) will lead to more businesses & jobs for ND, you do know that you'd have another think coming, right?

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centerfield

Mar-07-13 10:47 AM

Nice on topic reply. Like I stated earlier, when you have NOTHING to add to the topic, you go back to Fox News material.

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centerfield

Mar-07-13 10:14 AM

My, my, my, what an intellectual contribution to the blog. You wingers really out do yourselves when you have nothing to contribute to the topic. I cannot wait for dusty to out do you, hope.

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centerfield

Mar-07-13 6:20 AM

Dusty, you are never going to change are you? You make all kinds of accusations and never have the facts. We are talking about the Republican party of ND getting contributions from registered corporations doing business in ND. Now, Wallmart is certainly one of them. Let me see-- oh, yes since 1990 to 2014 cycles they contribute almost 70% Republican. The Walton family is even more Red. Now, Scheels is 100% red. Basin Electric is red. Sanford Health is red. Lowes is 80% red. So, those top ten that get 50% of the tax gift from the ND Republican legislators donate almost all donate to the red side. You don't know what you are talking about as usual. You are just as big a bloviating loser now as you were before.

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centerfield

Mar-06-13 8:23 PM

Maybe you should also check on who Finken works for... Paid lobbyist for big corporations will say anything.

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centerfield

Mar-06-13 8:19 PM

Gosh, loco, I thought at least you would research this bill before making a comment and looking foolish with the other clueless wingers. What does this bill really do? It gives lots of money to big corporations so they can contribute to the Republican campaigns. Did you know that almost 50% of the millions to be given away will go to 10 huge out of state corporations like Wallmart, Lowes, etc. I am sure that does not bother you at all. There were about 4500 corporations that file in ND. Really, ten of them take home millions and most of the rest get nothing. Of the 4500 corporations, almost half are from out of state and they*****up over 82% of the tax break. So, our ND corporations get to split up a whole big 18% of the pie. Isn't that just ducky..But, it is the Republican way and you guys drink the kool aide...look it up, loco.

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