Child care crisis in N.D.

Aww, Jack, I just about choked on my peas. You're changing the game plan now? After all the success of your previous motto?

"Votes For Gifts"

Oh, yeah. That voting thing happened already, didn't it? Uh, sorry. My big bad.

I will concede to your wisest-of-the-wise game change and now gravel at your feet.

Here's a sub-motto for you...FREE

"A good crisis is a shame to waste"

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I feel as long as we can call something a crisis, that we cannot let it go to waste.

We only move forword if we do not let these crisis go to waste.

Crisis For Votes

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Loco, I agree with you that if the parent that stays home to raise the kids has internet they could take online college courses and be able to get a better job after the 4-5 years it takes to get the kid/s out the door.

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Hi Snakewoman, the sad thing about the "good ol days" is nobody seems to be able to figure out what caused them to be good. We can never return to a place in time, we can only hope to incorporate into today what was good yesterday.

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Not much realism in nostalgia, like "the good old days." Modern choices can be made within the bonds of mutual commitment. It takes WORK by both parents.

To my mind, it's a mistake to think that men of the past got a free pass somehow while the women of the past stayed at home to work. Parental responsibility transcends time.

disgusted's right. Social media, internet shopping, networking, modern-day conveniences can all work to a family's advantage. Isolation is not so much a factor for women who work at home as it was in the old days.

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snakewoman, I was not saying they were the good old days. I used a little sarcasm in my voice when I wrote those words. I forget that sarcasm doesn't come across the written airways. People were far more isolated back in the good old days. That has changed with social media, transportation, etc. Change is still needed in the mentality of government owes me and I am entitled to it.

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snakewomen Only the strong survived. the rest of you not so much.

We worked beside each other not against each other. Our marriages were a life time partnership not a one night stand.

Values were much higher then We LOVED our kids and wanted to RAISE them ourselves.

We didn't want to hand our kids out the car window at the crack of dawn and take them back at dark,

We spent all our waking time taking care of our kids and a lot of our night times too.

It was a different world back then and we raised a classy bunch of common sense kids.

Coke was a drink..not up our nose.. and we also didn't put rings in our noses they were reserved for the bull in the barnyard.

Our faces didn't look like we fell in the tackle box.

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Worried, do you ever stay on topic? "dope the Pope" and your colleague snakewomen sounds like a women scorned. You must be bedfellows? :-)

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Yes, Snakewoman the 1950's was great for old lorexxx and all other white males in those days!

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Ahh, the good old days.....Same trope over and over. The good old days, when women had no choices about their lives....how great that was. Just awesome. Not everyone wants your "traditional" lifestyle. Good for you if you make it work in your marriage, but society has moved on long ago from that model, and, yes, there are problems with that as well, but many people will not live back in those "good old days"

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No letters in the MDN on the dope of who the pope will be? What's up with that? Where is Mr. Moen?

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locomotive, in the old days when there was no TV, social media, and it took hours to get anywhere, women were dependent on their husbands and isolated. Today, things can be sole in internet, there is connections to everyone everywhere. But, independence from the government is vital. However, everytime we wtop digging the hole, someone comes with a bigger sharper shovel. Struggle has become a dirty word in this day and age.

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Love, money and guns will be stuck in the wash and rinse cycles forever.

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disgusted, if dependence on state vs. independence from state is what you were getting at, I do understand that. Thanks for clarifying.

However, there are still young women that think staying at home with the kids while husband goes out to work is being too "dependent" and cuts them off from life. Y'know, the old stereotype, barefoot & pregnant in the kitchen.

I happen to think that parenting as a team leads to independence, from the state for sure, and from what society dictates as "normal" financial guidelines et al for raising kids. Creativity can abound in a teamwork circumstance.

Sorry I misunderstood the dep vs. indep thing in the beginning, but I hoped I clarified my take.

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Right on Early Bird.. Family time only comes around once when your kids are young. I chose to have our kids raised at home. It payed off in the long run. I have a wonderful extended family now.. All with good jobs, common sense and stable home surroundings for their children.

You don't usually get a second chance to raise your family over so do it right the very first time and DO IT YOURSELF! Don't hire someone to raise your kids!!!!!!!!!!

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Personally I don't think there is anything more important than family and family time. I'm such a weirdo!

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leftwing Minot is not the center of the universe. These problem are nation wide. Some of you think that the whole country lives like we do here in Minot. Just not so. I explained google 3 meals a day. I didn't say Minot did this YET! It pains me to see how backwards some of you are about life. How you cannot see that what happens on the east coast eventually makes its way to North Dakota. I would think you could see it very plainly in the rent alone. It wasn't that high in Minot but its been that high in New York for many many years. Minot is getting a taste of what the rest of the coastal areas in the USA have been for the last 30 years. And much much more will come as Minot has money to be made and people want that chance to make that money. And along with it came the Child care crisis and crime..and bad roads, and high prices and...........

So look at what you vote for. You vote for less freedom and less control over products and you get just what you vote for.

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leftwing, in ND wages are higher across the board than in 2000.Rent is higher, but the mentality the government owes me is at least 50 years old.

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Hey bill.Try buying a 2013 car on 2000 budjet.Makes more since than the garbage your serving.Please tell me the minot schools that are serving 3 meals a day.In fact tell me all the things that it takes to live that you can buy with 2000 yr prices.The only thing that we have had enough of is YOU.

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Remember to the now generation 6 or 8 years is their total lifetime.

I deserve and I want it NOW!

There is such a thing as planning when to have your chi9ldren, knowing if you can afford to have these kids and if not don't have them. If they are born and become a burden on the family right off the bat then you have a bigger problem.

Its like buying a Car on payments. You have a kid and then spend 7 years paying for the sitter.

Many find unlike the car they can't sell them or trade them in so they want someone else to foot the bill.

Many schools are now serving 3 meals a day to students. Google that! How much of other peoples kids do we have to pay for. Their education and 3 meals a day is getting way beyond the Taxpayers duties. Enough is enough!!!!!!!!!!

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oh, locomotive, I guess I best clarigy. Looking at the government for needs which I think of as dependence vs self-reliant such as you and your hubby.

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I've heard of the Economides before. I believe their take on cheap is mom at home, working to keep things simpler, cheaper, more economical. But I haven't read their materials yet for myself.

And as far as a dependence vs. independence thing for modern women, my husband and I agreed together that I would stay home with the kids, as I was better suited to it out of us two (personality, capabilities, etc). He's just as dependent upon me as I am upon him, if one wants to discuss that. Without me and the sacrifices I make, it doesn't work. Without him and the sacrifices he makes, it doesn't work. We are a team.

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I agree, but my question about having children in this day and age has to do with the greater question of where our country is headed. Staying home for 6-8 years till the kids are in first grade is a sacrifice, true. Obtaining training to get a good job with good pay take time. Not all 4-year degrees quarantee good jobs. The core belief of dependence or independence is really what we are discussing. I just came across a book mentioned in an article on Yahoo. America's Cheapest Family by Scot and Annette Economides. I think I will give it read in my old age. The transcient culture has removed the aunts, uncles, neighbors and grandparents from the family unit. That is a sad loss.

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About the regulations: anyone can have up to 5 kids in their home without any regulations, and if you don't want to be licensed you don't have to follow any of them anyway. Regulations are not the issue.

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Well, I see your point about sacrifice. Most people with kids probably sacrifice quite a bit and it can be debated how much is enough sacrifice to count. It ultimately really comes down to if we want to go back to a time when all women stayed home to raise their kids, and never were financially at least somewhat independent from their husbands. Many women had to stay in bad marriages because of this. I certainly don't want to go back to those days, but modern life sure is a challenge. Add to that the fact that most families don't have the help of grandparents anymore either, we really need to decide if it is still worth having kids.

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