Gun control discussion

angeR, saw your recommeneded video. It showed 3 armed assailants running into a homeowner's garage. They were repelled by the homeowner's firing his weapon. AT HOME. IN THE GARAGE. Amazing times we live in.

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veritas, obviously some ideas will always be two sided.

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WV ... " but until you or any one else can show me how many (even 1) lives were saved because of an assault weapon or 30 round clip than I believe my argument is won, and yours is without merit."

Setting the bar pretty low aren't you? Well, this should meet your minimalist demands...

wwwDOTTewetoobeDOTTcom/watch?v=sRor1Gao--A

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EB....Like so many others..You choose to read what you want to...

Article I, Section 10 "No state may keep troops… without the consent of Congress."

Article I, Section 10 provides that no state, without the consent of the Congress, shall keep troops or ships of war in time of peace, or engage in war unless actually invaded.

I'm beginning to think your rational is tainted..

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veritas, so if we form a State militia even during times of peace the federal government cannot disarm us?

lorexx, hahaha, I used badgering in the legal sense of the word.

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Shooting is an Olympic sport, bring on the pole dancers!

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“Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.” ? Friedrich Nietzsche

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Veritas I refuse to jump into the hole you are digging.

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If I prevented a home invasion with a gun (any gun)I most likely would not report it and go through questioning and scrutiny about my actions and my firearms. That may well explain the lack of statistics on crimes prevented by gun ownership. Another example would be that crime is most unlikely in front of a police station or in front of a police officer--because they have guns. When you are followed or stalked you are told to go to a police station. I know many hunters who value their "assault" weapon as their hunting weapon of choice because of the versatility of it. For example many have an adjustable stock; so it will fit well against a tee shirt or a heavily padded winter parka. I wish I had bought one years ago when they were inexpensive. Now they are out of my price range.

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Article IV, Section 4 guarantees every State in the Union a republican form of government.

Article IV, Section 4 provides that the federal government " shall guarantee to every State in this Union a republican form of government," and shall protect each of the States against invasion. At State request, the federal government was to protect the States "against domestic violence." Through these provisions, the potential for both cooperative Federalism and for tension between the "militia" and the "army" clauses was built into the constitution.

So like I said before..Conditions of the 2nd Amendment have been secured over the last 200+ yrs and we have a militia that has guarantees of infringement unless your voting rights have been tampered with...

About time you woke up and realized you're the cheapest form of marketing for the weapons makers next to the NRA & in some cases there's two of you born every minute.

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EarlyBird Feb-20-13 11:28 AM "Back to militia, our States National Guardsmen are serving around the world in support of the federal government so they are not really a State Militia"

Legal Basis of the National Guard The National Guard's charter is the Constitution of the United States. Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution contains a series of "militia clauses," vesting distinct authority and responsibilities in the federal government and the state governments.

The Second Amendment qualified Article I, Section 10 by ensuring that the federal government could not disarm the state militias. One part of the Bill of Rights, insisted on by the anti-federalists, states, "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Official website posting of Army National Guard......

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So no one in ND has bow hunted using a stand? And no one has killed a deer with the help of a salt block or a little feed? OK Than I cannot converse with your indicated knowledge of ND, though it is different than my own - BUT Are Your really as sure about that as I am that you cannot show me ONE life saved or any other attempted homicide, or home invasion prevented because the home owner had a 30 round clip assault rifle to prevent it? I suggest for self defense stick with pepper spray or the old reliable double barrell, but until you or any one else can show me how many (even 1) lives were saved because of an assault weapon or 30 round clip than I believe my argument is won, and yours is without merit. EOS

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"...especially when they are fed grain near your deer stand..."

We don't hunt with a deer stand or feed grain.

There's more than one way to bag a buck.

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"The assault rifle was designed to operate with sand or dirt on it and in adverse weather condition typical hunting conditions."

----- An Assault weapon is an "Assault Weapon" -- Typical hunting weapon is a very stupid statement. Man in all his glory cannot kill a deer without an assault weapon. What the heck are you talking about. (especially when they are fed grain near your deer stand) Protecting your home is not about an assault weapon. Show me one person who survived a home invasion becauase of a 30 round clip assault weapon. Moronic...................

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paranoia will destroy ya, this is funny thanks Veritas!

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since the dems have no respect for the constitution especially the 1rst and 2nd amendments why should we be suprised they will ignore the 4th too...

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I too have not found Early's paranoia either. Just common sense and rational thinking.

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locomotive Feb-20-13 11:06 AM " At those times, whenever they might occur, compromise is only a 10-letter word, not fit for the occasions."

I don't understand this statement loco....does this or doesn't this apply to any amendments to the Constitution?

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EarlyBird Feb-20-13 7:33 AM " I have not found your utopia"

I too have not found your paranoia.

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Never ever ever trust a Democrat..... you can tell they are lying because their lips are moving...they say one thingand do another...really they don't want to take our guns... really???

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What we could have again EarlyBird is just that, a call to arms by a militia comprised by guardsmen and lead by patriotic commanders.

MINUTE MEN as it was once called by the Founders...and a new birth of freedom heard from every steeple!

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Back to militia, our States National Guardsmen are serving around the world in support of the federal government so they are not really a State Militia. Although I'm pretty sure the National Guards as individuals would be right here with us defending what ever it is we decide to defend.

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"Real men look for real solutions to real problems...And our ability to compromise makes us men."

I agree with this statement. I also think that there are times to go out on a limb with one's convictions. At those times, whenever they might occur, compromise is only a 10-letter word, not fit for the occasions.

The debate about gun issues and 2nd Amendment rights is far from over.

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Great Thomas Jefferson quotes, H4C, and just in time for President's Day season!

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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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