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Cuts must be part of the plan

January 29, 2013

Conservatives in the House of Representatives really had no choice but to postpone debate over increasing the national debt ceiling, as they voted last week to do....

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muleskinner

Jan-29-13 7:15 AM

The best laid schemes of mice and men often go awry.

Plan? What plan? There is no plan.

The Republicans solve the crises they created? Gimme a break, they'll just shift the costs to the folks who can pay for it, and that would be you. If anybody is going to have to make any cuts, it will be you.

Let President Obama have control? You would have to be crazy.

The debt is a death of a thousand cuts.

Here's an idea: Let's go back to being a constitutional republic, abide by the Constitution and do what it says to do.

Right now, the Constitution is just a piece of paper with some words that carry no weight and have no real meaning.

The gov could care less about the the Constitution.

Or, does returning to a constitutional republic make too much sense?

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locomotive

Jan-29-13 8:51 AM

Only in an alternate universe can you rack up bills with no hope or eal intention of paying them.

And that's Democrat and Republican alike.

"Cuts must be part of the plan" has WAY too much common sense to be considered in DC today.

It's a party and they'll spend if they want to...

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-29-13 10:48 AM

Cuts must be part of plan and that must include the state of ND. and all the other states that can afford to cut back from the federal welfare.

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rajiihammr

Jan-29-13 2:11 PM

"Conservatives want to cut spending". Eh...where? What do they want to cut? Form the words, make the sounds. Commit. Or would that be too risky? Even too risk to mention in a backwater newspaper opinion article. Here's a start...defence. I wonder if there's anything there worth cutting? And I wonder how long it'll be before I'm called a cowardly/blame America firster.

Oh, Oh, Rush Limpman just posited the idea that if the Dems take the house in 2014, they'll try to repel the Amendment limiting Pres. terms...And he talks about "low information voters" HaH!!!

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rajiihammr

Jan-29-13 2:29 PM

JackAaah, should we be reading your "fake democrat" posts with that new castrati voice that the Limpman uses? You know, a little lisp, slightly effeminate. I'm thinking it may round out the shtick, make it more authentic for us. I'm trying to be helpful here. I feel the routine needs a little punch. We'll do our part at this end to come together.

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locomotive

Jan-29-13 3:38 PM

"New castrati?"

Whaat?

The subject was about "cuts" being part of the plan, but isn't that taking it a little far...

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locomotive

Jan-29-13 4:54 PM

"Body image, and the links between "befriending your body" and experiencing physical pleasure"

"An opportunity to talk openly in small groups during part of the program"

"umn.edu/thefemaleo"

All in the UofM female program that Jack talked about.

So where's Title IX when you need it...

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rajiihammr

Jan-29-13 6:49 PM

Good one Loco.

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-30-13 9:03 AM

I want to see the specifics of these spending cuts that these conservatives want to cut. Put them out there if they want the people to support it we need to know what they are!

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-30-13 10:33 AM

lorexxx why hasn't the house pushed these cuts through instead of all these stupid abortion and planned parenthood obstruction bills they did the past four years?

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-30-13 11:35 AM

lorexxx that is why the conservatives need to come up with a more compromised bill that will pass to move this country forward. If they do not the republican party looks like the obstructionist party of the past and will continue to lose more public support and more elections!

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WorriedAmerican

Jan-30-13 11:58 AM

lorexxx everything on the internet and Fox news is the truth RIGHT!

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 1:25 PM

Thanks for posting the list, lorexxx.

At first glance, there were a couple programs that I thought might be worth keeping, but whoa! what was I doing?

That's just the thought process that cannot continue!! "What about my (fill-in-the-blank)? Whatever will I do without its funding?"

Cutting means sacrificing for the good of the country. Literally. If we don't have the money, we don't even have the luxury of deciding what's worthwhile.

If these programs are so wonderful, and there is a desire for them to continue, then the private sector will have to invest and pick them up. (And yeah, for a profit, but that's a discussion for another day.)

Talk about Obesity! Our government system is woefully, abysmally obese in its funding desires, and when Dr. Common Sense says "you must trim the fat" it says "no way! I need it all! how could anyone do with less!" et cetera, and so on.

The current fiscal discussions at the DC level are not based in reality

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 1:30 PM

"Losers don't get to decide what the plan is.

When you win an election -- you can dictate the plans."

So whenever any Republican presidential candidate was elected, it was right that his plans were fully implemented, ala dictating them? With no exceptions?

According to this logic, then the drumbeat of liberals concerning all things legislated/executed during the Bush years has been absolutely wrong.

Waiting for that apology...not.

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rajiihammr

Jan-30-13 2:00 PM

Nice long list there, gee the Federal budget IS big after all. My golly, so much money spent on so many completely unnecessary things. I had no idea...Amtrak? well that just has to go. Eliminate funds for Obamacare administrative costs? Well, there's something that will help that program function nicely. Let me add one. Roll back the military budget to FY2000; about $3T savings. Let's start pinching pennies and "balance our budget like every family does." Except, here's an opening para. from Bloomberg Jan 30 "The economy in the U.S. unexpectedly came to a standstill in the fourth quarter as the biggest plunge in defense spending in four decades swamped gains for consumers and businesses." Oops, you mean spending on military(or anything else) has impact? That makes no sense...to a Teapartier.

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rajiihammr

Jan-30-13 2:32 PM

Loco you stated... "So whenever any Republican presidential candidate was elected, it was right that his plans were fully implemented, ala dictating them? With no exceptions?...then the drumbeat of liberals concerning all things legislated/executed during the Bush years has been absolutely wrong."

I think we can label this a false syllogism. The statement is that it is right that the winner dictates the policy. NOT that everything the winner dictates is right. Two different things. If you listen closely to the Limpman you'll hear false syllogisms often. Here's one; It is right that Rush Limpman has a talk show, he says a lot, everything he says is right. See? If you can't get past using the Limpman as an example insert "Big Ed". Did that help?

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 2:38 PM

Rajj, no one disputes that the Federal budget is large. It is.

So what should be the point? WHY is the Federal government spending money on (fill-in-the-blank) program, study, development, center, grant, administration, etc., etc., ad nauseum?

Will we EVER in our lifetime see the Federal government getting smaller? Or putting a stop to the "spending more than taking in" mentality?

You did state the obvious: cutting government programs will affect the economy, because the government has its fingers in so much of it. To me, that's an unfortunate reality we live with every single day, ala regulations, taxes, fees, and so on.

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 2:52 PM

OK, back to the original quote:

"Losers don't get to decide what the plan is. When you win an election -- you can dictate the plans. Until then, you're just flapping your yapper."

PJ was addressing lorexxx's point about Sen. Reid's not bringing up passed House bills in the Senate.

I guess it was my bad to think the quote could have included Rep. or Dem. presidential elections.

Instead, PJ's point could have been more about those who kept the Democrat majority in the Senate. They, by their leader Sen. Reid, get to "dictate the plans"--not any wascally wepublicans in any old House, no sir. Any bills enacted by that old branch of government can just sit on a desk somewhere.

Maybe this conclusion is more to your liking, rajj?

Otherwise, provide one of your own.

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 4:14 PM

Sure, there's room in the wholesome, compassionate, large-hearted Democrat party for Americans.

But only the right kind of Americans.

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 5:18 PM

Jack, the term "all-purpose scapegoats" comes to mind when reading your post about the hapless Republicans in DC.

Aren't you proud?

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rajiihammr

Jan-30-13 5:31 PM

H4C---Hard work? It was a cut and paste job. The list is everywhere.

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 5:33 PM

Ask WorriedAmerican if c/p is hard work or not...

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rajiihammr

Jan-30-13 5:35 PM

Loco--- Once again, shorter. It's right that the winner makes the call, but that doesn't mean the call is right or wrong, it's right. (hey, I almost made a palindrome)

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locomotive

Jan-30-13 7:26 PM

So what is it PJ?

Defense stays funded? Or defense gets cut?

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locomotive

Jan-31-13 12:06 AM

Yeah, it's me and not that stage hog, Jack.

Interesting replies, Veritas. Who ever said "platforms" translate into reality very well?

That DNC vote to include the mention of God in the Democrat platform? Sure, every convention attendee agreed wholeheartedly with that one, didn't they?

I view platforms as the ideals of a party, goals to strive for. As far as mentioning God at the next big DNC, I would consider that a worthwhile goal.

The perfect candidate? So for you, was that the 2012 election winner, President Obama? If so, it's a given that all future candidates will be lacking somehow.

Well, I haven't found a perfect candidate yet. And if I ever think I have, I should be put away. Fast.

They're all human, y'know. Every last one of them. Even those likeable ones.

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