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Liz Cheney is wrong

November 19, 2013 - Andrea Johnson
Thanksgiving in the Cheney household is likely to be pretty chilly this year.

Liz Cheney, daughter of former vice president Dick Cheney, is a Republican candidate for the Senate in Wyoming. She has said she supports the "traditional definition of marriage," despite the fact that her sister Mary is gay, is married to her same sex spouse, and has two children. While Liz says she loves her sister and claims to have always treated her sister and her family "with compassion," Mary doesn't think that's good enough. Mary and her spouse Heather Pope won't be exchanging words with Liz unless and until Liz backs down on her opposition to same sex marriage.

Incidentally, Dick Cheney, AKA Darth Cheney, has proven that blood is thicker than water and has been supportive of his daughter Mary and her marriage to Heather Poe. Now he seems to be doing his version of "Can't we all get along?" and trying to be supportive of Liz without alienating Mary. I can sympathize with old Dick on this one and think Liz should have avoided stressing him out, especially since he just had a heart transplant.

I think Liz Cheney is wrong for other reasons, too, and this is why: family comes first. Family members do not necessarily agree on marriage, religion, politics, diet, choice of spouse or child-rearing decisions, but they still ought to be able to tolerate one another. At the very least, Liz Cheney owed her sister the common courtesy of discussing her position on gay marriage privately before she made it a political talking point. She really ought to have avoided bringing it up during political debate at all, since I doubt gay marriage is going to be made legal in Wyoming in the foreseeable future or that Liz will have much power to legalize it or keep it from being legal. For someone who undoubtedly believes in "family values," Liz Cheney has just demonstrated a poor understanding of the concept.

Who do you think is right here, Mary or Liz?

 
 

Article Comments

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MarkHighwater

Nov-24-13 2:11 AM

They should charge Dick with war crimes, and lying to the people he swore to represent under an oath to God.

Nov-22-13 2:39 PM

This is only a story because of the anti-gay position of the party of dick cheney. to follow the party line--liz denounced her sister's lifestyle. The voters will determine the outcome of her decision.

ovomitlied

Nov-20-13 4:42 PM

Andrea if you have to change your beliefs to suit your family then you are nobody.

Liz and Mary were born into the same family. They are not clones they are individuals.

Is it not Marys civil right to marry another female?

Is it not Lizs right to stnad firm on 200 years of traditional marriage?

What gives Mary the right to tell Liz how she should think?

Mary made her bed now she has to live with her choices.

Listening to you one would think Liz went out and condemmed her sister by name. Thats not the case..But the media would like to make it sound that way.

But in fact its the other way around Mary took to facebook condemming her sisters beliefs..

Liz has the civil right to believe anyway she wishes right Andrea?

AndreaJohnson

Nov-20-13 1:39 PM

Mary Cheney has said she feels like she's being treated like a second class citizen and I see her point. In 15 states she is considered legally married to her partner; in 35 states she is not. Her sister is willing to treat her with "compassion" but that sounds more than a little condescending. Mary apparently feels her sister's actions are an insult to her wife and children. How would you respond if one of your siblings disrespected your marriage?

There are probably people who value their religious or moral convictions so highly that they are willing to forego going to a wedding if a Catholic relative is marrying outside the Church or a gay niece is marrying her lesbian partner. For them, it's a matter of principle. I couldn't do it.

MattRothchild

Nov-20-13 1:16 PM

Well, who is it that's actually putting the strain on the relationship? The one who made a comment about how she feels about a certain issue, feelings that I'd wager have been known for a long time and been discussed at considerable length? Or the one who all of a sudden wants to burst onto a national stage expressing outrage over the aforementioned viewpoints that have long been known, but happen to have been mentioned during a political campaign?

I think if I were Mary Cheney, I would value my relationship with my sister more than I do my ego

AndreaJohnson

Nov-20-13 12:04 PM

I think if I were Liz Cheney, I would value my relationship with my sister more than I do a political campaign.

ovomitlied

Nov-20-13 11:47 AM

I suspect this has come up in the Cheney household at least 100 times in thepast 10 years..

To think ANYONE would assume this was the first comments ever from Liz is just not facing reality..

Now that Mary is "married" its two against one.. her and her wife against Liz..

According to you Andrea Liz should have stated I have no comment because my sister is gay?

Or I am not allowed to comment becasue its a sore spot in the family?

Or should she have pulled an Obama and siad I love Gay marriage when in all reality she is in favor of tradional marriage and not gay marriage..

So you would have Liz turn away from her belief to not hurt her sisters feelings.

Do you think feelings have been on an even keel in the Cheney household all thru the years with Mary coming out???

MattRothchild

Nov-20-13 10:01 AM

"If I were running for office and it became necessary to take a stand on something like gun control, I would talk with the family first and leave them out of it as much as possible. My views aren't a secret to any of them. I also wouldn't mention my family or their politics during the campaign. I don't think it's fair for Liz Cheney or anyone else to drag a family member or her personal life into the spotlight to further a political campaign."

Again, are we in a position to say what has and has not been discussed at the Cheney household? And when did Liz ever drag her sister into this? My understanding is that the topic came up on the campaign trail, Liz said what she thinks about it, and that was it. So unless I've missed something...

Marvin51

Nov-20-13 9:06 AM

And everyone knows gay people, if the gay people don't dare tell you, or you are too dense to realize it, it's really a reflection of how you come across to others and how you don't pay attention to others.

Marvin51

Nov-20-13 9:04 AM

I don't think that because Liz says something in a campaign running as a Republican that it really is her personal feelings. Could very well be she's just practicing molding herself to whatever she's told to do by the leadership and Republican activist groups. It's a lot like the Bush family was always a prochoice family before and after the White House, but not during.

AndreaJohnson

Nov-20-13 8:55 AM

Yes, she's entitled to her difference of opinion, but at a minimum, she owed it to her sister to discuss this before she brought it up as part of a political campaign. Everyone knows she has a gay sister. Did she really think Mary Cheney wouldn't be hauled into this? I also have my doubts that gay marriage is a burning political issue in Wyoming, so I question why it's part of the campaign in the first place.

ovomitlied

Nov-20-13 7:26 AM

So AJ What you are expressing is Liz should not tell the truth about how she feels.

Your saying Liz should change her values to support her sister.

Liz NEVER has believes in gay marriage from day one. She has always favored traditional marriage.

This is just the Democrats way of driving a wedge into the family in order to win elections..

However in this case Mary took to facebook to destroy her sisters campaign. Liz has always supported her sister she just does not(and never has) support the gay marriage act.

Liz has VALUES too and to lie about them would be an Obama trick.

chadk66

Nov-19-13 7:05 PM

hmm, wonder if there's any more important issues to discuss at this time

AndreaJohnson

Nov-19-13 4:15 PM

Based on what I've read, it sounds like Mary was pretty well blindsided by her sister's statement and that Liz is attempting to shore up support with far right members of her party.

No, I do not agree with every member of my family on politics or religion or issues such as gun control. I decided years ago that I would no longer discuss any issues we disagree on because I value the relationships a lot more than I value winning an argument and too much fighting isn't good for family connections. If I were running for office and it became necessary to take a stand on something like gun control, I would talk with the family first and leave them out of it as much as possible. My views aren't a secret to any of them. I also wouldn't mention my family or their politics during the campaign. I don't think it's fair for Liz Cheney or anyone else to drag a family member or her personal life into the spotlight to further a political campaign.

namexxx

Nov-19-13 3:21 PM

This points to the obvious reason Republicans keep losing elections.

It's easy to hate on gays, Blacks and Latinos -- when you don't actually know any.

It's easy for you to declare whole segments of the population "unworthy," "un-Godly" or "un-American" -- until you realize that segment includes a family member or friend. Then suddenly, your Foxed up feelings of hate boomerang right back and hit you in the face.

ovomitlied

Nov-19-13 2:11 PM

Mary got her wish. She IS married and has the two childrne..

Now that her sister is trying to fulfill her dream why can't Mary shut her mouth and let Liz advance towards her goals.

This looks very strangely to me that Mary dislikes Liz and will do anything to destroy her chances to fulfill her goals.

Matts right. I have a large extended family and I support everyone of them..if they don't live up to my standards I don't see that as a problem.

Wouldnt it be great if we were all identical? the we wouldn't need anyone. anything. any news organization or any governement.

But we are all differant. Mary got her wish now she needs to live the life SHE chose and leave Liz alone..

MattRothchild

Nov-19-13 1:31 PM

*You have concluded something prematurely.

MattRothchild

Nov-19-13 1:31 PM

"Family members do not necessarily agree on marriage, religion, politics, diet, choice of spouse or child-rearing decisions, but they still ought to be able to tolerate one another."

It seems to be that this is already going on. Do you approve of every single thing that each of your family members do? If not, does that mean that you haven't put family first? Does that mean you have failed to sufficiently tolerate them? Of course not!

Let's forget about homosexuality and insert some other political issue, just for fun, gun control. If you are running for office and take the position that a certain type of firearm that your family member happens to own should be prohibited, would the same standard you've laid down still apply? Do you owe them the common courtesy of discussing your position on gun control privately before making it a political talking point?

And back to your original topic, who says Liz didn't take up that discussion privately? Your have conlcuded som

 
 

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